Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:50 am  

Captain Hook wrote:

It’s more by way of an experiment. We can all look at a signing and with HINDSIGHT say he was rubbish, it was obvious he was going to be rubbish etc etc.
What I m asking is if you see something wrong in these 2 signings say it now, rather than after the event. The club don’t have a crystal ball anymore than we do but if a fan can identify a weakness in a signing in advance and the club didn’t then criticism is warranted (as it undoubtedly was in Latu’s case).
This isn’t aimed at you by the way, just a general comment.

I guess Butler has it all to prove and could be a dud and Mulhern comes with a decent reputation. So a bit of foresight.....Butler is a risk and wouldn't have appeased me in isolation but as I said earlier, thankfully they also have Mulhern so Butler doesn't get the pressure of being "the answer" and we get a proven SL prop...... I'm optimistic with these 2.

I guess approach is right, whether the asset is right should now be down to the coaching staff, especially with Mulhern

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:14 pm  

Superblue wrote:

So now we’re stuffed to the gunnels with Props, what’s our tactics going to be?

I reckon it’s looking like 5 drives and a kick for next season

Happy days

We wanted props, they signed props. You criticise the signing of props. Other than relegation what do you want?
(You are a Widnes fan and I claim my fiver).

[Winslade's Offload]

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:18 pm  

If Mulhern is such a good quality prop, why have HKR let him go ? In fact, surely they should have received a fee from Wire as well as Johnson ? Why has he only had one game for the Knights back in 2018 ? So the verdict is out for me. There could be a reason for his release if HKR were paying a too high salary and needed to trim down due to the ravages of Covid on their budgets, but that is the only one I can think of.

With few decent props around, few are likely to be happy sitting on the bench or even waiting in the squad for a game, so we are certainly much better off than last season in that respect. But I think we are looking at two bench props here, brought in to give Hill and Coops a rest and with the hope that Mulhern can be restored to his former glory whilst Butler kicks on and develops into a first team pick.

I think the reality is probably that Mulhern was not producing the goods at HKR and neither was Johnson at Wire. So this was a clever swap whereby both parties could try their hand at getting more from the players.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:29 pm  

Winslade's Offload wrote:

If Mulhern is such a good quality prop, why have HKR let him go ? In fact, surely they should have received a fee from Wire as well as Johnson ? Why has he only had one game for the Knights back in 2018 ? So the verdict is out for me. There could be a reason for his release if HKR were paying a too high salary and needed to trim down due to the ravages of Covid on their budgets, but that is the only one I can think of.

With few decent props around, few are likely to be happy sitting on the bench or even waiting in the squad for a game, so we are certainly much better off than last season in that respect. But I think we are looking at two bench props here, brought in to give Hill and Coops a rest and with the hope that Mulhern can be restored to his former glory whilst Butler kicks on and develops into a first team pick.

I think the reality is probably that Mulhern was not producing the goods at HKR and neither was Johnson at Wire. So this was a clever swap whereby both parties could try their hand at getting more from the players.

you'd get disheartened playing in a team that keeps going through massive squad upheaval, nothing seems to getting any better, no chance of getting near a final, never mind winning.

We come a-calling, do you let him go and get something in return, or refuse and let him become disgruntled, eventually letting him go a few weeks later when the situation has soured and relationships have broken down.

The interesting thing here is that KR (for all the impressive performances he did last year on loan) have only given johnson a 12 month contract,

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:53 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

We wanted props, they signed props. You criticise the signing of props. Other than relegation what do you want?
(You are a Widnes fan and I claim my fiver).

Surely the addition of at the end of every single post he makes clarifies everything he writes is a joke.

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:25 pm  

Paul Youane wrote:

Surely the addition of at the end of every single post he makes clarifies everything he writes is a joke.

Oh...yes...of course. Always the sign of a shining wit (credit to Dr Spooner).

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:32 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

We wanted props, they signed props. You criticise the signing of props. Other than relegation what do you want?
(You are a Widnes fan and I claim my fiver).

Lol, I stated a fact, you took it as criticism ,

But what do you really want?, and how far might you be prepared to go to achieve it.

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:37 pm  

Paul Youane wrote:

Surely the addition of at the end of every single post he makes clarifies everything he writes is a joke.

A bit like your playing namesake

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:48 pm  

Superblue wrote:

Lol, I stated a fact, you took it as criticism ,

But what do you really want?, and how far might you be prepared to go to achieve it.

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:59 pm  

Winslade's Offload wrote:

If Mulhern is such a good quality prop, why have HKR let him go ? In fact, surely they should have received a fee from Wire as well as Johnson ? Why has he only had one game for the Knights back in 2018 ? So the verdict is out for me. There could be a reason for his release if HKR were paying a too high salary and needed to trim down due to the ravages of Covid on their budgets, but that is the only one I can think of.

With few decent props around, few are likely to be happy sitting on the bench or even waiting in the squad for a game, so we are certainly much better off than last season in that respect. But I think we are looking at two bench props here, brought in to give Hill and Coops a rest and with the hope that Mulhern can be restored to his former glory whilst Butler kicks on and develops into a first team pick.

I think the reality is probably that Mulhern was not producing the goods at HKR and neither was Johnson at Wire. So this was a clever swap whereby both parties could try their hand at getting more from the players.

Hull KR wouldn't of demanded a fee for Mulhern as we would have demanded a fee for Johnson as they were both contracted to 2021. Mulhern was good for KR last year, it's this year he's stagnated but it's been a poop year all round and Apart from 3-4 players for KR none of them have really been good.
He also played twice for England knights in 2018 and played a game for the full England squad against France and prior to that has 4 caps for Ireland.
He might have stagnated abit but i'm not worried about that at all, as i believe he will get back his form with the like of Hill and Cooper around him. And Butler took his place in the england knights squad in 2019.
I'm very happy with these 2 signing with us and i'm not gonna pretend i'm not, Butler is the next hill for me but more aggressive and faster and he's a big lad, 6'2 and 17st i'm happy with that. And Mulhern is a great addition.
Johnson isn't cut out to be a prop and he's been here 3 years and virtually got no game time so moving him on to sign a young out and out Prop in Mulhern who is a proven Super league prop is good business on our side.
I've not been this happy with our forwards in about 5-6 years, now if we can sort the halfback issue out i'm excited and confident for next year with the sqaud we have.