Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:03 pm  

It will have to be good enough, unless we offload Sita and or Latu we will have:

Hill
Cooper
Philbin
Mulhern (if it comes off)
Butler

Sita
Kibula
Latu

With the likes of Clark, Doro and possibly Hughes (depending on if we sign a new back rower) who could class themselves as 'middles' (hate that term).

We have too much of our salary cap already in the prop department because of poor recruitment.

All depends on how Mulhern and Butler turnout, Hill, Cooper & Philbin are more than good enough, but we need two more pros to step up to become that 4th prop option in the 17.

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:06 pm  

When we let Chris Hicks go to accommodate Monaghan Jnr, I seem to recall that we paid him off in the offseason so the payment didn’t count towards the Salary Cap, is that still the rule (and if so would the club consider it for Latu?).

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:20 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

When we let Chris Hicks go to accommodate Monaghan Jnr, I seem to recall that we paid him off in the offseason so the payment didn’t count towards the Salary Cap, is that still the rule (and if so would the club consider it for Latu?).

As far as I know yes, as long as a player doesn’t play in the season, you could pay them off with no cap impact. Would still cost us to pay off the contract obviously and I’m not sure what happens if we pay ‘some’ of his salary to facilitate a move to another club, does the amount we part pay count, or does none count as he isn’t our player?

Just increases salary cost at a time I’m sure we are trying to cost save.

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:13 pm  

Alffi_7 wrote:

As far as I know yes, as long as a player doesn’t play in the season, you could pay them off with no cap impact. Would still cost us to pay off the contract obviously and I’m not sure what happens if we pay ‘some’ of his salary to facilitate a move to another club, does the amount we part pay count, or does none count as he isn’t our player?

Just increases salary cost at a time I’m sure we are trying to cost save.

I’m sorry. I just assumed based on what some other posters have said that we had a bottomless money pit (it’s just to the right of the money tree if you’re trying to locate it).

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:22 am  

So 2 props acquired, on the face of it both good signings. I can’t see any obvious criticism of these signings, They are not from Australia so no issues re families (although Yorkshire based players have been known to struggle), they can hardly be accused of being here for a holiday/pension top up. Mulhern seems a steady Eddie with potential to step up and Butler a bit of a young gun. Hardly “Hollywood “ signings but is that important.
We as supporters have spotted the weakness in the prop department, so have the club and they have worked to fill it. Are they due some praise? Is this a flurry of signings? My natural optimism is starting to reassert itself, throw the cold water my way.

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:16 am  

Captain Hook wrote:

So 2 props acquired, on the face of it both good signings. I can’t see any obvious criticism of these signings, They are not from Australia so no issues re families (although Yorkshire based players have been known to struggle), they can hardly be accused of being here for a holiday/pension top up. Mulhern seems a steady Eddie with potential to step up and Butler a bit of a young gun. Hardly “Hollywood “ signings but is that important.
We as supporters have spotted the weakness in the prop department, so have the club and they have worked to fill it. Are they due some praise? Is this a flurry of signings? My natural optimism is starting to reassert itself, throw the cold water my way.

No praise yet. They've signed massive amounts of props over the past 4-5 years. It's not a tick box exercise, it's about the quality. As said, Butler could be a Hill or could be an England. Crosby was v decent at Wigan and obviously had devastating personal issues that turned him into half the player for us. The list of failed props at our club is lengthy.

Optimistic and excited to see them, absolutely, but based on track record, I wont be praising the recruitment until it's shown to be successful, else it's just clapping for the sake of it.

Cold enough?

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:20 am  

Philth wrote:

No praise yet. They've signed massive amounts of props over the past 4-5 years. It's not a tick box exercise, it's about the quality. As said, Butler could be a Hill or could be an England. Crosby was v decent at Wigan and obviously had devastating personal issues that turned him into half the player for us. The list of failed props at our club is lengthy.

Optimistic and excited to see them, absolutely, but based on track record, I wont be praising the recruitment until it's shown to be successful, else it's just clapping for the sake of it.

Cold enough?

take crosby's family issues aside, his body was done, he's said in his retirement statement he's had injuries that hampered him from the time he signed for warrington, even before the family issue he was missing for a number of weeks. due to niggling injuries.

Also, as an aside, have you got your quotes turned off in your settings, it never loads in properly for some weird reason, looks odd.

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:15 am  

Philth wrote:

No praise yet. They've signed massive amounts of props over the past 4-5 years. It's not a tick box exercise, it's about the quality. As said, Butler could be a Hill or could be an England. Crosby was v decent at Wigan and obviously had devastating personal issues that turned him into half the player for us. The list of failed props at our club is lengthy.

Optimistic and excited to see them, absolutely, but based on track record, I wont be praising the recruitment until it's shown to be successful, else it's just clapping for the sake of it.

Cold enough?

It’s more by way of an experiment. We can all look at a signing and with HINDSIGHT say he was rubbish, it was obvious he was going to be rubbish etc etc.
What I m asking is if you see something wrong in these 2 signings say it now, rather than after the event. The club don’t have a crystal ball anymore than we do but if a fan can identify a weakness in a signing in advance and the club didn’t then criticism is warranted (as it undoubtedly was in Latu’s case).
This isn’t aimed at you by the way, just a general comment.

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:28 am  

So now we’re stuffed to the gunnels with Props, what’s our tactics going to be?

I reckon it’s looking like 5 drives and a kick for next season

Happy days

Re: PROPS PROPS ffs buy PROPS!! : Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:45 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

take crosby's family issues aside, his body was done, he's said in his retirement statement he's had injuries that hampered him from the time he signed for warrington, even before the family issue he was missing for a number of weeks. due to niggling injuries.

Also, as an aside, have you got your quotes turned off in your settings, it never loads in properly for some weird reason, looks odd.

Any better?