: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:08 pm  

Mother Feka wrote:

Optimism wrote: t happens to be one of the best centres in the world....

Seriously Right, Not saying he is a bad player but that is a shocking statement to make, he is millions of miles behind most of the centres playing in Aus.

absolute rubbish his name will be one of the first on Tony Smiths team sheet for the world cup.....

Yeaman Looks a cert for the other centre berth and after those two you are struggling for a decent English Centre so while the also rans like the Kevin Browns, and Chav Walkers of the world ARE a million miles behind anything in Aus, Gleeson is most certainly not.

Be interesting to hear your views on O'loughlin as being one of the best back rowers in the World...???

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:09 pm  

Demon's Eye wrote:

The landlords of Warrington will be delighted too, no doubt.

Beats going out in the shytehole that is Leigh, I reckon.

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:10 pm  

jonh wrote:

Firstly point out in my recent posts on here where it would indicate i know nothing about rugby league?

His form at Saints was not a myth, on what grounds can you claim this? He was far sharper and in physicaly better condition, his passing game and ability to use his footwork has always been his main assett and is indeed top class and this is what still makes him a great threat.

His pace has dropped significantly in the last few years, as someone who watches rugby league every week regardless of the team, i do not attend Wigan week in week out, i have watched Gleeson fairly regullarly since he Hudds days where he was much sharper than he was at Saints although not as complete a player.

My worry is that year on year his condition seems to have detiriorated, i hope for Englands sake a new condtioner can get him back in shape and then he could be considered world class if he can add that extra yard of pace back to his game.

For what its worth he will never be in the same class as the bloke lining up in the opposite centre spot for Wire next year, he is truely worthy of the world class tag.

The rest of your post does just that.

A few quick bullets, as I can't be arsed.

1. He's never been quick. He may have been quicker at Hudds when we was 7 years younger and about 3 stone lighter agreed.

2. He's been far & away more productive for us than he was at Saints, at the best team in the league so how has his form dipped.

3. Coupled with the above, his winger has scored 20+ tries for the last 3 years.

4. The likes of Reardon & Penny have also profited from Glees' when playing outside of him.

5. His physical condition is fine, the only time he looked magnifique was when he'd been a silly boy and he pumped iron for 6 mths, what do you suggest, we ban him again, just so he'll look cut up in a French Connection UK top in flares.

6. He's not world class, but he's as good as Britain have got.

7. As mentioned a billion times, he'll profit far more than anybody else in a Warrington shirt from our recruitment this year, the added threat that we'll produce on the left will force defenders to leave others iscolated opposing Gleeson, 1 vs 1 there's not many better than he still.

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:11 pm  

john_wilshires_physio wrote:

7. As mentioned a billion times, he'll profit far more than anybody else in a Warrington shirt from our recruitment this year, the added threat that we'll produce on the left will force defenders to leave others iscolated opposing Gleeson, 1 vs 1 there's not many better than he still.

good point

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:28 pm  

john_wilshires_physio wrote:

The rest of your post does just that.

A few quick bullets, as I can't be arsed.

1. He's never been quick. He may have been quicker at Hudds when we was 7 years younger and about 3 stone lighter agreed.

2. He's been far & away more productive for us than he was at Saints, at the best team in the league so how has his form dipped.

3. Coupled with the above, his winger has scored 20+ tries for the last 3 years.

4. The likes of Reardon & Penny have also profited from Glees' when playing outside of him.

5. His physical condition is fine, the only time he looked magnifique was when he'd been a silly boy and he pumped iron for 6 mths, what do you suggest, we ban him again, just so he'll look cut up in a French Connection UK top in flares.

6. He's not world class, but he's as good as Britain have got.

7. As mentioned a billion times, he'll profit far more than anybody else in a Warrington shirt from our recruitment this year, the added threat that we'll produce on the left will force defenders to leave others iscolated opposing Gleeson, 1 vs 1 there's not many better than he still.

Il respond to each point individually.

1. Gaining weight should not slow you down leam muscle mass if you condition youself correctly will lead to improvements in maximal strength which in turn can be converted to power, power is the ability to produce force quickly over a short period of time, which means increased power = increased speed.

2.The stats may say he has been more productive yes but that does mean he has been a better player? Of course not it simply means he has had more opportunity in the Wire team than he did at Saints, because they could break teams in other areas. It would be interesting to see a ratio of the times his ball is in his hands to assisst ratio, if that stat is available and shows he has a higher percentage conversionm in a Wire shirt i will agree with you. From what i have seen he converted more of his chances at Saints, anecdotal evidance but unill we get empiracle evidence on that its the best we have.

3.See point 2.

4.see point 2

5. His physical condition is not fine he is clearly carrying excess dead weight, if all he did was pump iron and not cnvert it to power through a periodized process in those 6 months your conditioning staff want shooting.

6.Agree although Senior does seem to have found a resurgance in form this last year.

7.If his try assists go down next year due to the added quality does it mean he will have played worse, or does it mean you have relied on him less, see point 2.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:13 pm  

jonh wrote:

Il respond to each point individually.

1. Gaining weight should not slow you down leam muscle mass if you condition youself correctly will lead to improvements in maximal strength which in turn can be converted to power, power is the ability to produce force quickly over a short period of time, which means increased power = increased speed.

2.The stats may say he has been more productive yes but that does mean he has been a better player? Of course not it simply means he has had more opportunity in the Wire team than he did at Saints, because they could break teams in other areas. It would be interesting to see a ratio of the times his ball is in his hands to assisst ratio, if that stat is available and shows he has a higher percentage conversionm in a Wire shirt i will agree with you. From what i have seen he converted more of his chances at Saints, anecdotal evidance but unill we get empiracle evidence on that its the best we have.

3.See point 2.

4.see point 2

5. His physical condition is not fine he is clearly carrying excess dead weight, if all he did was pump iron and not cnvert it to power through a periodized process in those 6 months your conditioning staff want shooting.

6.Agree although Senior does seem to have found a resurgance in form this last year.

7.If his try assists go down next year due to the added quality does it mean he will have played worse, or does it mean you have relied on him less, see point 2.

he just can't win if he does one thing he's poop and if he does another he's poop.


Have a read of this, especially the bit in bold, then go round gleeson's house, tell him stats are meaningless and he should retire.

Excited Gleeson signs up for more
Exclusive By Mike Parsons
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Martin Gleeson agreed a two-year extension with Wolves
GREAT Britain Test series winner Martin Gleeson says he is more excited than ever before about his future with Warrington Wolves after signing a two-year extension to his contract this week.

The 27-year-old is delighted to be staying at The Halliwell Jones Stadium until the end of 2010 because he feels the club is 'going places' and he is sure he can continue to develop his talent with Wolves.

Gleeson, whose initial contract did not run out until the end of next year, wanted to reaffirm his commitment to the club and considers himself an improved player from the one that won Grand Final and Challenge Cup honours with St Helens before joining Warrington for a club record £270,000 fee three years ago.

He clicked into good form in an injury-hit Wolves side during 2007 and finished his year's work on a high note alongside clubmates Jon Clarke and Adrian Morley, helping Great Britain complete a 3-0 series whitewash over New Zealand with a 28-22 victory at the JJB Stadium in Wigan on Saturday.

Just five days after his 10-month season ended, the centre already has his eyes on a successful 2008 and beyond, saying: "I think we've got a chance to achieve something over the next couple of years.

"I feel even more excited about the club now than when I first joined, that's with the players that are coming in and the fact that more of us are getting into the GB squad each year.

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"When I first came here I was the only one in the GB team. Now there's three of us as well as Louis Anderson in the New Zealand side and we've got Matt King coming from the Australian national team.

"So I think everything is on the upwards with the club and with a bit of luck next year - and if we can keep our strongest 17 fit for longer periods - I think we'll do very well."


Gleeson attempts to get the better of New Zealand's Paul Whatuira on Saturday
In his three seasons with Wolves, the Wiganer has formed dynamite link-up play with Lee Briers on Warrington's right side, helping winger Henry Fa'afili to finish as top try scorer each term.

After a more difficult injury-hit 2006 campaign he stood tall again in Super League XII, pointing out that he finished joint top with St Helens' Leon Pryce for try assists and was in the league's top three for the number of clean breaks produced despite seven weeks on the sidelines with a serious knee problem.

"My stats are far better now than they were with St Helens"
Martin Gleeson

And his good work has been achieved despite being a marked man, although opposition defences will have the likes of King and new half back Michael Monaghan to worry about on the left side next year.

Gleeson explained: "The majority of possession has come over to the right side and teams we play against know that, enabling them to defend accordingly.

"Me and Briersy get put under a lot of pressure and it has been like that since I joined the club.

"But the more quality we have throughout the team leaves teams having to defend the whole width of the park.

"I think our overall squad for 2008 is much stronger so we'll balance out and that should benefit the likes of me and Briersy."

With his trusty wingman Fa'afili now gone, Gleeson will have a new partner outside him next year - expected to be new recruit Chris Hicks from Manly or teen star Kevin Penny - but admitted he does not know who it will be.

"I'm not sure because I've been away from the club with Great Britain," he said. "But I will be looking to strike up a good partnership early doors with whoever it is."

But one thing he does know for sure is that Warrington fans can still expect to see improvement in him on the field during the course of his contract.

He said: "I've improved as a player each year.

"My stats are far better now than they were with St Helens, for example.

"And working with head coach Paul Cullen and assistant Jimmy Lowes, as well as Tony Smith for GB, is only going to help me further.

"I'm learning more and more each year and I'm going to improve as a player.

"I've been pleased with my 2007 form and with a good pre-season behind me I'm looking forward to a really good 2008."

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:26 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

Be interesting to hear your views on O'loughlin as being one of the best back rowers in the World...???

Nobody claims he is.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:35 pm  

0cm wrote:

Nobody claims he is.

Kevin Ashcroft does, had to stifle my giggles reading the metro this morning whilst the garry schofield of this side of the pennines proclaimed that sideshow lockers had surpassed farrell's level of greatness.

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:37 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

Be interesting to hear your views on O'loughlin as being one of the best back rowers in the World...???

I dont think that at all. Whats this got to do with Lockers anyway?

FWIW Lockers performed well in the games against NZ - No-one can deny that, im just waiting for him to perform like that for wigan.

: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:48 pm  

jonh wrote:

Il respond to each point individually.

1. Gaining weight should not slow you down leam muscle mass if you condition youself correctly will lead to improvements in maximal strength which in turn can be converted to power, power is the ability to produce force quickly over a short period of time, which means increased power = increased speed.

2.The stats may say he has been more productive yes but that does mean he has been a better player? Of course not it simply means he has had more opportunity in the Wire team than he did at Saints, because they could break teams in other areas. It would be interesting to see a ratio of the times his ball is in his hands to assisst ratio, if that stat is available and shows he has a higher percentage conversionm in a Wire shirt i will agree with you. From what i have seen he converted more of his chances at Saints, anecdotal evidance but unill we get empiracle evidence on that its the best we have.

3.See point 2.

4.see point 2

5. His physical condition is not fine he is clearly carrying excess dead weight, if all he did was pump iron and not cnvert it to power through a periodized process in those 6 months your conditioning staff want shooting.

6.Agree although Senior does seem to have found a resurgance in form this last year.

7.If his try assists go down next year due to the added quality does it mean he will have played worse, or does it mean you have relied on him less, see point 2.

In all honesty, i do tend to air on the side of caution when reading stats/information posted by an individual, who, in all honesty, looks to struggle with the spelling of their own personal name.