Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:02 pm  

Nat Wood's Hotdog wrote:

Is it just me who thinks Joel has been better than King?

Yup.

And to be perfectly honest, I'd have Richards over Joel Monas as well. As I've said previously before his injury he looked all class, just hasn't hit the same heights (imo) since then, still been a very good player mind but I think Richards has looked as good (if not better) than him since.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:18 pm  

King and Hoffman for Joel Monaghan and Menzies for me but it's not a million miles off bar those.

As for the Roby/Monaghan debate I think the right player was selected tbh. I've stated on the VT and our board that Monaghan can count himself very unlucky as he's put in the best seasons worth of performances I've seen to not be selected in the dream team but Roby is a freak. He has put in a seasons worth of super human efforts that have kept Saints in the top 4.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:32 pm  

Ron wrote:

To the detriment of Saints at times I imagine... Saints get a roll on, have the opposition disorganised, and instead of swinging the ball out and scoring, Roby darts 10 metres up the pitch and is tackles.

But you miss a vital point in this assessment. We have been playing with two rookie halfbacks this season plus frequently changing combinations including a number of young players at a time. Simmons has been directing the team to play off Roby because of the inexperience we have had. That policy has taken us to third in the table and, had we won our three draws, would have left us right up there with Warrington and Wigan. It's not really been a policy detrimental to Saints has it? Mainly it's been our inexperience that has undermined us at crucial times.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:00 pm  

Can't complain about Roby.
Monas has had a fantastic season for us though.

Very very suprised that King was left out.
I'd have to put him above Joel.
It might be his versatility cost him - 2nd row, wng, centre

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:07 pm  

the original stevo wrote:

Shocked Kings' not there

I can only think that the huge chunk of games that he missed at the start of the season has counted against him because he's been brilliant this year.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:39 pm  

Kings only played just over half a season and in them games has only been named at centre 3 times , so hard to pick him over Yeamo.

Out of interest, does Joel Monaghan play left or right wing or hads he played both regularly

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:47 pm  

joel's been right wing, kingy's played left and since coming back from injury he's been exceptional.

Joel's quietly gone about his business this year, done well, finished off well but apart from one or two tries you wouldn't say he's had the wow factor about him, whereas Matt has been killing it, knocking people on kick returns and really really putting a shift in, and so slapping some props around as well.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:49 pm  

Joel's had a great first year but King has been awesome and should be in instead. Other than that can't really complain about the selection. I think Manu is unlucky not to be included.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:52 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Joel's quietly gone about his business this year, done well, finished off well but apart from one or two tries you wouldn't say he's had the wow factor about him, whereas Matt has been killing it, knocking people on kick returns and really really putting a shift in, and so slapping some props around as well.

I think this is spot on regarding Joel vs King, but considering that this is Joel's first SL season I think he's done brilliantly well. When you consider what King's first season was like, he's settled in perfectly.

Incidentally, I take it that one of the tries with the wow factor was against Hudds at home. I'm still not sure how he kept that in.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:53 pm  

correct