Have the club made a mistake. : Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:43 pm  

If admin and mods wish to place this into a thread already in existence by all means.

My Queation is have the club made a mistake in bringing in daryl Powell.

Was there ever a culture change needed at the club. Were players ever too big for the club. Maybe. Have some of the players been lazy and clocked off defienently.

I would be interested to know what the big culture change was that needed addressing. Or is it the management of the club. Daryl Powell and Ryan Sheridan who have adversely changed the culture of the club to something that is counter productive.

Something still is not right within the club. I believe someone mentioned it in another thread. 14 of the 17 who played against cas on Saturday are players who will be at the club next year.

So if those same 14 players who are going to be with us next year are losing to cas and Wakefield and putting in performances that are not upto standard. Surely something much deeper is at work here. Isn't Powell supposed to get the most out of his players.

Do we cut our losses. And replace Powell before things get worse and look to bring back Tony Smith to steady the ship and move us back into the right direction
He came back to superleague and took a average hull kr side to within 80 minutes of a grand final. This season. As he hilighted previously when he announced his departure. That the club and himself were not on the same path. So decided to cut his losses.

So the question I pose.
Do we stick at it and hold our nerve with daryl Powell. Who by no means is bad. He was the genesis of the golden Leeds era. He brought Shinfield. Maguire. Burrow. JJB and others From the academy and brought in peacock from Bradford to lead the forwards.
Or
Do we bring back home Tony Smith to steady the ship. Get the best out of what we have going forward and hopefully move us forward into 2023 as he did when he came in at the start of 09.

I don't know. Daryl Powell has the credentials to make a great team but lead a great team I'm not so sure. Whereas. Tony Smith. Took a average team in 09. Made us challenge Cup winners. (Alot of the same players were cullen signings) improved the players. (Briers had his best years 09-13) and bought in some truely world class talent in atkins. Solomona. Myler. Hodgson. Joel monaghan. Trent. Ratch. Hill. Clark. Hiku. Gidley. Lineham as well as bringing Cooper back from the nrl.
There wasn't even many signings 10-16. 24 signings compared to prices 26 in 4 years.

If I had to choose. Maybe we need to settle the ship a bit. The ship is rudderless at the moment and its like we are the titanic about to hit the iceberg at the moment.


Views..

Re: Have the club made a mistake. : Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:11 pm  

We don't need another thread is my view.

Re: Have the club made a mistake. : Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:49 pm  

My view is that the post was a decent read, but then lost all credibility when describing myler and ratchford as world class talent!

Re: Powell OUT : Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:34 pm  

Douglas Black wrote:

Yay. Happy clappers and accepting mediocrity in one post. This true fan bingo is good fun.

Struggling to see the funny side when we're four points from the drop, and so inconsistent it's difficult to see where the next win will come from to survive.

Twice this season we've gone through a pattern of lose five, win one, lose one, win one. If we lose the next four before we get another win we'll go down. It really is as simple as that.

Re: Have the club made a mistake. : Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:35 pm  

wire2004 wrote:

My Queation is have the club made a mistake in bringing in daryl Powell.

Yes.

Next...!

Re: Powell OUT : Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:18 am  

Wires71 wrote:

No you are incorrect. Last 10 seasons starting 2013 season we have won 1 major trophy. The CC in 2019. If you want to count League Leaders shields we are grasping at straws.

The point being we have been poor for a while, massively underachieved for a decade. Being beaten in finals doesnt wind my watch nor should I imagine the fans of Saints, Wigan, Leeds.

No you are incorrect... 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013 and 2012, that's 10 seasons. So 2 Challenge Cups in 2012 and 2019, and a League Leaders Shield is still a trophy and a difficult task to achieve.

Are we supposed to expect every Grand Final to be easy? The point of it being the Grand Final is that it's the 2 best teams, so we aren't always going to win.

We have won 40% of our Finals appearances which is competitive. And we have won 6 trophies since Smith came in. We didn't even win one in the Super League era before that. Averaging a trophy roughly every 2 seasons since Smith. That's definitely not underachieving.

Re: Have the club made a mistake. : Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:43 am  

I'll be honest, I'm very much up and down when it comes to Powell.

As I have said many times on other threads, we won a trophy in Smith and Price's first full seasons, so why should we expect anything less than a trophy this time.

I think Daryl is a great bloke. And I don't think anyone would really disagree, but we can literally see with our own eyes that we are slow, unorganised and we lack creativity in attack. I'll repeat my usual description again... 13 men stood in a line waiting to collect the ball and see what happens.

This is specifically what bugs me, and why it's hard to defend him. So I'll try to break it down:
- Powell said on the Wire Podcast that he has certain lines that he likes to run. So that's how we look in attack.
- We have speculated about bad apples and players bringing in a bad culture.
- If Powell believes we have certain players contributing to a bad culture, then they should not even be training, let alone playing.
- Powell consistently says that we have trained well, near enough week in week out. And we know he likes to be honest about the group, especially when things are poor.
- So if we have been training well all week, running the lines that Powell wants to run... Why do we look so ineffective with the ball?

That's what leads me to believe that it's a Daryl Powell issue. Contrary to that, if certain players just aren't running the lines that he wants, surely they have to be dropped, which in fairness some players have been. Or we have moved people around.

In terms of attack, we are 7th in Super League. Better than Wakefield, Toulouse, Leeds, Hull KR and Hull FC, scoring 20 points per game on average.
For our defence, we are 10th in Super League. Better than Wakefield and Toulouse, conceding 24 points per game on average.
This then makes me think about removing Sheridan from his role, as I believe he's the defensive coach from what I remember. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Maybe we'd be right up there in a Playoff position, or better off for the rest of the season if he wasn't here.

I cannot express how excited I am for next season in terms of recruitment. Just imagining Dudson and Vaughan at prop with Harrison, Mikaele and Kasiano coming off the bench. What a forward pack that is. And I understand that if the forwards are winning the battle in the middle it opens up more opportunities for the backs. And with Dufty still possibly on his way, he could be very effective, which might mean we shove Thewlis out to the wing or means he doesn't get a game which is unfortunate either way. But this is what reels me back in with Powell. Maybe the lines he likes to run would look so much more effective behind a dominant forward pack. But what I'm currently seeing is such a boring product. I just don't want to see more of it next season.

He's bringing in players that he wants, he's changing the culture, he's removing players he thinks aren't needed and he's said many times that he wants to build a Championship winning team, for multiple years. Personally, I feel that he MUST win a trophy next season or he has got to go, unless we have been right up there in all competitions all season.

I'm currently in the 'Powell Out' camp and I'm more than happy to be proven wrong for next season. Or even this season, as I'm quite an optimistic person naturally, so all I want us to do is make playoffs. Not because it looks better on paper for the season, but because it actually means we get a crack at winning the Grand Final. Call me delusional of course, but as long as we make playoffs, we can win it. Maybe we find some form in the last couple of weeks, a bit like Hull KR last year. We've beaten 4 of the Top 6 once already, with a very close game against Saints. We could beat any one of those 4 teams on the day again, and we know we have it in us to go toe to toe with Saints for 80 minutes. We were a decent Wrench grubber kick away from winning that game. Maybe someone has an off day, you just never know.

It's so hard to defend Powell but I'm willing to keep backing the lads for the rest of the season, but then back Powell next season when he has exactly what he wants.

Re: Have the club made a mistake. : Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:00 am  

Without rabbiting on again, I think next week's game has to see effort throughout and I think we need to see a win.

If we're poor next week, then it's not going to be good and I would totally understand people wanting him out.

Re: Powell OUT : Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:13 am  

Peckerwood wrote:

If you're supporting Powell, and are maybe even part of that band of happy clappers, you're part of the problem this club has in accepting mediocrity. Powell has to go now, Fitzpatrick with him, and bring in Nathan Brown or Michael Maguire before we get relegated.

Why on earth would Miguel Maguire come over here and coach this shambles?

More chance of getting Harry Maguire.

Re: Have the club made a mistake. : Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:30 am  

I’m going to start a new thread on Powell on the back of this….