Re: Apologies to the Mods : Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:00 pm  

Yes - afraid so, but more annoyed with our performance.

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:26 pm  

fez1 wrote:

Psych,
The thing about the GF defeat was that outside influences (dirty tackling by the goons was tolerated by the officials) turned the match.
Friday was totally down to us.
That's what's really got to me. We turned victory to defeat. Not Wigan.

One game though. Why are we throwing in the towel, over reacting and giving up on the team because of one game?

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:21 pm  

But it's not one game, is it. As I've alluded to, many times this week, we have a habit of bottling it/throwing away huge leads, not only this season, but in our recent past, too.

We look like we have no answer, when somone has the temerity to eat into a big lead.

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:22 pm  

If we had of won last Friday then this thread wouldn't exist. This thread, especially the opening post is with reference to last weeks Wigan game, is it not?

A point off finishing top and a game away from the Grand Final, it's hardly the end of the world is it? We've got issues I agree, but we've improved massively on the last two seasons and things have been worse, much worse, regardless of how we all felt last Friday.

Yes, it may well end up being the same old story and we fluff our lines once again. We'll probably get turned over tomorrow and the odds are against us for when we go to Wigan, but how about we get behind the boys and give them our support for another couple of games at least?

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:44 pm  

DAG wrote:

If we had of won last Friday then this thread wouldn't exist. This thread, especially the opening post is with reference to last weeks Wigan game, is it not?

A point off finishing top and a game away from the Grand Final, it's hardly the end of the world is it? We've got issues I agree, but we've improved massively on the last two seasons and things have been worse, much worse, regardless of how we all felt last Friday.

Yes, it may well end up being the same old story and we fluff our lines once again. We'll probably get turned over tomorrow and the odds are against us for when we go to Wigan, but how about we get behind the boys and give them our support for another couple of games at least?

You could well be right the thread may not have existed had we won, but we didn't win and not only that we threw away victory after being in a commanding position and it's happened numerous times and it's actually becoming a habit.. Last Friday, The Challenge cup final, Cas at the magic weekend.. Those are just from this season off the top of my head...
You have to understand that stuff like that really grates on people and for a lot of Wire fans it felt like the last straw..
You know that every Wire fan will be right behind the boys tomorrow night , the playoffs and beyond.. But if things aren't right we are going to discuss it on here..

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:45 pm  

DAG wrote:

One game though. Why are we throwing in the towel, over reacting and giving up on the team because of one game?

One game - Come off it? Look at the facts.

Last 3 league games

Wigan - Lost 2nd half 12-21
Widnes - Lost 2nd half 10-12
Catalans - Lost 2nd half 8-22

More tellingly the recent big games. (Ive now added Magic 2016)

CCFinal 2016 - Lost 2nd half 6-12, ahead at HT, lost game
Magic 2016 - Lost 2nd half 0-22, ahead at HT, lost game
SL SF 2014 - Drew 2nd half, lost game.
SL GF 2013 - Lost 2nd half 0-24, ahead at HT, lost game
SL GF 2012 - Lost 2nd half 4-12, ahead at HT, lost game
SL SF 2011 - Lost 2nd half 12-20, ahead at HT, lost game

The omens are clearly not good if we are not unassailably ahead by half time.

DAG wrote:

We've got issues I agree

Are these them? Our inability to win big games when we are ahead at HT? The Wigan game rubbed salt into the wound as they were down to 12 men for 20 mins. The backlash is justified.

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:23 am  

DAG wrote:

If we had of won last Friday then this thread wouldn't exist. This thread, especially the opening post is with reference to last weeks Wigan game, is it not?

And if my aunty had a pair of plums swinging about between her thighs, she would be my uncle.

Anyway, 0945 train to Hull for mine, best shake a leg!

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:42 am  

Wires71 wrote:

One game - Come off it? Look at the facts.

Last 3 league games

Wigan - Lost 2nd half 12-21
Widnes - Lost 2nd half 10-12
Catalans - Lost 2nd half 8-22

More tellingly the recent big games.

CCFinal 2016 - Lost 2nd half 6-12, ahead at HT, lost game
SL SF 2014 - Drew 2nd half, lost game.
SL GF 2013 - Lost 2nd half 0-24, ahead at HT, lost game
SL GF 2012 - Lost 2nd half 4-12, ahead at HT, lost game
SL SF 2011 - Lost 2nd half 12-20, ahead at HT, lost game

The omens are clearly not good if we are not unassailably ahead by half time.

Are these them? Our inability to win big games when we are ahead at HT? The Wigan game rubbed salt into the wound as they were down to 12 men for 20 mins. The backlash is justified.

You can add the magic weekend to that also. Although a standard league game, it's played under the spotlight as if it were a cup game.

Would any other coach survive those damming results? TS has the comfort of sitting in his position as an untouchable becase of winning 3 CC in 4 years with a team initially built by Paul Cullen.

I had my fill a couple of years ago.
I'd be happy to see him gone even if we won the GF. However we are capable of winning what I consider to be the easiest SL LLS ever. The competition was weaker after injury and departed players rocked chances from Leeds and Huddersfield early on.

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:07 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

You can add the magic weekend to that also. Although a standard league game, it's played under the spotlight as if it were a cup game.

Would any other coach survive those damming results? TS has the comfort of sitting in his position as an untouchable becase of winning 3 CC in 4 years with a team initially built by Paul Cullen.

I had my fill a couple of years ago.
I'd be happy to see him gone even if we won the GF. However we are capable of winning what I consider to be the easiest SL LLS ever. The competition was weaker after injury and departed players rocked chances from Leeds and Huddersfield early on.

Added. Yes I was a bit shocked when I compiled the list. Definitely a trend we have there.

The reason I still back Smith, although not as fervent as I once was, is that before him we never even had the big games. One thing Smith can have undoubted credit for is turning us into a team that make finals regularly under his tenure. Before Smith the last final we made was the Regal Trophy in 1995, the last time we won one was the same trophy in 1991. Cullen's team you say? Well Smith did better with it than Cullen ever did.

Re: Apologies to the Mods : Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:17 am  

I agree with you Wires71 in terms of backing Smith, but my patience is wearing thin.

Someone recently compared him to Arsene Wenger on here. I think that's a pretty good comparison from where I am sitting. Not from a spending money perspective, but in terms of his apparent belligerence. Us Fans always think they have all the right answers and rarely are we right in reality, but at the moment, it's plain as day to anyone and his dog that Russell and Evans on the wing is such a terrible option when we have 2 designated wingers sat in the reserves. Yes we don't know the behind the scenes goings on with either player and it's not as if we have 2 modern day Bevan's sat in the stands, but sometimes you just have to work with what you have for the benefit of the here and now.

Frustrating is the word.