Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:09 am  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

The downward pressure rule has already become farcical and if that had been given we might as well take it out of the rules. There is no way on gods earth he got downward pressure on that, and only the most one-eyed Englishman would say he did.

But it should have been irrelevant. England were tactically abysmal in the second half and all our key players went AWOL.

He had his finger on the ball in the in goal area. Either he played for the ball and touched it in the in goal - try, or he didn't play for it and knocked it out after Inglis had knocked it back- drop out.

They gave no try AND 20m restart.

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:12 am  

No not drop out.
It's either a try or a knock on from Hall.
They called it as a knock on effectively.

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:21 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

Cronk showing Smith a master class in kicking.

I didn't think Smiths kicking game was that bad. Just didn't have enough possession and field position in the 2nd half

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:24 am  

Regardless of whether it was a try or not, England failed to beat a THIRD string Australia side. That's what annoys me.

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:45 am  

Wire Yed wrote:

His finger is bent on the ball, it's a try.

Anyone but an Aussie gives that.

Blatant cheating.

X2

As they say in the NRL.

"Skin on ball on grass, its a try".

People talking about control, it doesn't matter as long as its skin on ball on grass with downward pressure even from a pinky. If that would have been Inglis it would have been a try, he would have meant it and he's a genius for being able to score tries like that but with all due respect this ref wasn't as biased as usual but he didn't do us many favours, the flip penalty before the Hunt try was a load of cack and when Burgess knocked on/had it stripped they didn't show a replay, hmmmm???!!!

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:09 am  

Can you hear that noise? It's the excuses barrel being scraped. Blame the ref, the Hall "try", the awful Aussie kit whatever, you're just deluding yourselves.

We had the players to beat them, we played well enough in the first half but we didn't show up in the second - I don't know what our "coach" said at half-time, but the second half tactics were non-existent. It was like being back in the Anderson-Plange era.

Tactically naive, a coach who selects a squad then plays the same 19 every match, makes substitutions by numbers and when the tide turns sits there like Nero with a laptop instead of a fiddle.

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:53 am  

Wire Yed wrote:

His finger is bent on the ball, it's a try.

Anyone but an Aussie gives that.

Blatant cheating.

This.

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:29 am  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

Can you hear that noise? It's the excuses barrel being scraped. Blame the ref, the Hall "try", the awful Aussie kit whatever, you're just deluding yourselves.

We had the players to beat them, we played well enough in the first half but we didn't show up in the second - I don't know what our "coach" said at half-time, but the second half tactics were non-existent. It was like being back in the Anderson-Plange era.

Tactically naive, a coach who selects a squad then plays the same 19 every match, makes substitutions by numbers and when the tide turns sits there like Nero with a laptop instead of a fiddle.

Utilising your opinion to overide fact is the action of an narcissist.

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:03 am  

Thought Australia were the better team in the first ten minutes of the game and the last forty. So overall they deserved to win.

Our kicking game and two of our second rowers were poor. The best back rower in SL last season was nowhere to be seen (Whitehead) when JTomkins and Ferres were completely amonymous throughout the season and have not justified being in the team. and in this game they were awful! Charnley did nothing and neither did Hodgson. You cannot have four players contributing so little to a game against Australia. That's not good enough.

However, that was a try in the final minute. BBC Sport showed a super zoom of it and it was 100% nailed on a try! Nobody had ever heard of the video ref, not even Millward an Aussie! Where did they pluck him from?some Melbourne back street pub and say "here you go pal, you're the video ref for the Australia v England game!"...disgraceful decision!

But I don't think we even deserved to win. Poor game management, no leadership, no direction, poor tactics, poor kicking game...Australia's worst team for decades were still better than our best team for decades.

Re: Aus Vs. Eng : Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:21 pm  

Joel Tomkins inclusion in this side baffled me but didn't surprise me, when you have a 1st team coach 11 and a half thousand miles away running the team!!!

JT was the England replacement for Hock or Westwood, take your pick.
That is a MASSIVE drop in back rower talent, I would have even been satisfied with Ablett.
There was even Cooper in that squad he could have selected before him, and from McNamara's own back garden, raving it up!!!

Okay I know there are excuses for not selecting two of them but please! Charnley showed more skill before kick off with his finger up his nose!
JT perhaps 10 SL games? No preseason conditioning, a flop in Union not getting game time.

Would the Aussies put up with such an farce of a coaching set up as ours with McNanara?
And I hope the donuts on here who backed him on another thread and told me to shut it revise their thoughts!