Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:50 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Leave the club bias out of it and take a look at Roby. It's impossible to leave him out. He is a phenom.

Averaging, thats right averaging, nigh on 200m and 40 tackles a game.

Agreed, he's an unreal workhorse, you can't help but see that with the naked eye without the need for statistics. I do think he is a physical freak, a one off.

Only problem is, you could counter-argue that by saying that he's ineffective, or his style doesn't lend itself to making you guys successful, as you've not beaten any of the big sides this year and have found yourselves well off the pace this year, for all of his good work.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:54 pm  

JWP wrote:

Agreed, he's an unreal workhorse, you can't help but see that with the naked eye without the need for statistics. I do think he is a physical freak, a one off.

Only problem is, you could counter-argue that by saying that he's ineffective, or his style doesn't lend itself to making you guys successful, as you've not beaten any of the big sides this year and have found yourselves well off the pace this year, for all of his good work.

Or you could argue that the fact that we're pretty obviously beneath the top 2 means it's even more impressive?

I don't agree he's ineffective, he's made breaks in key games for us this season and we've just put the ball down. He doesn't steal plays by going on his own very often either. I'd bet 90% of his metres are made between the 20s.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:55 pm  

Ron wrote:

To the detriment of Saints at times I imagine... Saints get a roll on, have the opposition disorganised, and instead of swinging the ball out and scoring, Roby darts 10 metres up the pitch and is tackles.

Whereas Monaghan 9 times out of ten will choose the right option, and is a big reason for us amassing so many points this season.

Ron you make a good point here.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:59 pm  

Regarding Roby and Monas, both excellent hookers and both deserving of a place in the dream team - shame there can be only one - and further to my message regarding coaches selecting the dream team. It would be interesting to know which player is the greater 'headache' to opposition SL coaches when planning for games against Saints or Wire. I may be biased, but I suspect Monas.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:02 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Or you could argue that the fact that we're pretty obviously beneath the top 2 means it's even more impressive?

I don't agree he's ineffective, he's made breaks in key games for us this season and we've just put the ball down. He doesn't steal plays by going on his own very often either. I'd bet 90% of his metres are made between the 20s.

I don't necessarily think he's ineffective either in all honesty, quite the opposite as he's a player I fear when we play you guys. I don't think he's somebody that a team can play off, more that you can play off the back of him. It's not just the metres he makes, it's the two plays that follow that hurt you too.

I've no problems with his inclusion as dreamteam hooker. I would always take Monaghan for us and Roby for you guys, especially in recent years when you've gone one out play'tastic.

Roby is perhaps the best athlete in world rugby, if you view him as a forward playing hooker, he's the best there is. If you view Monaghan as a halfback playing hooker, in a creative role he's the best there is without question too. I guess Monas would be the sort of 'hookers hooker', the Stevo's of this world, Lowes etc will appreciate his art.

[Paul Thexton]

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:07 pm  

JWP wrote:

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player?hs1=2011&hp1=973&hs2=2011&hp2=470&stat=tries&season=2011

Compare Menzies to Westwood.

You won't get too many on here saying that Westwood isn't a deserved inclusion, well for me, Menzies stats are equally as impressive, irrespective of his age.

26 penalties for Benny really wish he could get a handle on that part of his game.

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:30 pm  

biggest joke ive seen all year haha atkins, king and mike monas have been better than joel this year mike monas best player in the league, king best centre in the league by a huge margin atkins best english centre and probably 2nd best in league that team is unbelievable

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:32 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Leave the club bias out of it and take a look at Roby. It's impossible to leave him out. He is a phenom.

Averaging, thats right averaging, nigh on 200m and 40 tackles a game.

oh give over

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:32 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Leave the club bias out of it and take a look at Roby. It's impossible to leave him out. He is a phenom.

Averaging, thats right averaging, nigh on 200m and 40 tackles a game.

oh give over

Re: 2011 Dream Team : Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:33 pm  

rawzy! wrote:

biggest joke ive seen all year haha atkins, king and mike monas have been better than joel this year mike monas best player in the league, king best centre in the league by a huge margin atkins best english centre and probably 2nd best in league that team is unbelievable

lol