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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:58 am  
Think all the Matuitia bashing is a bit unfair. He’s a perfectly solid squad option. He’s just not a stand off. He had a decent season last year and got through a load of work when the pack weren’t making any yardage. Think he’s probably a loose forward. Not his fault Powell keeps inexplicably starting him at stand off. Just feels like a fall guy. Far bigger issues to worry about.

That pass for Thewlis was perfectly good. Also gets given 9.5/10. The game is a shambles. Who calls that. A ref can’t see it. Does a touch judge? Have to bring back video ref interventions. PM is in front of the ball when he catches it. Unless he accelerated after the pass it can’t be forward.
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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:20 am  
clutch wrote:
Think all the Matuitia bashing is a bit unfair. He’s a perfectly solid squad option. He’s just not a stand off. He had a decent season last year and got through a load of work when the pack weren’t making any yardage. Think he’s probably a loose forward. Not his fault Powell keeps inexplicably starting him at stand off. Just feels like a fall guy. Far bigger issues to worry about.

That pass for Thewlis was perfectly good. Also gets given 9.5/10. The game is a shambles. Who calls that. A ref can’t see it. Does a touch judge? Have to bring back video ref interventions. PM is in front of the ball when he catches it. Unless he accelerated after the pass it can’t be forward.



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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:21 am  
clutch wrote:
Think all the Matuitia bashing is a bit unfair. He’s a perfectly solid squad option. He’s just not a stand off. He had a decent season last year and got through a load of work when the pack weren’t making any yardage. Think he’s probably a loose forward. Not his fault Powell keeps inexplicably starting him at stand off. Just feels like a fall guy. Far bigger issues to worry about.

That pass for Thewlis was perfectly good. Also gets given 9.5/10. The game is a shambles. Who calls that. A ref can’t see it. Does a touch judge? Have to bring back video ref interventions. PM is in front of the ball when he catches it. Unless he accelerated after the pass it can’t be forward.


the touchy called it, and if pm hadn't passed it the way he did and did a conventional pass it wouldn't have been pulled.

also bring back vid refs interventions for what? they've never ruled on forward passes
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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 am  
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Well Powell is certainly getting a tune out of the boys but sadly it is a Stockhausen classic. It's so frustrating as I am sure there is a decent team in there somewhere. Powell needs to find it quickly.


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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:50 am  
clutch wrote:
Think all the Matuitia bashing is a bit unfair. He’s a perfectly solid squad option. He’s just not a stand off.


He's not been making a good impersonation of a centre either.

Listen I've come out before and said OK as a squad player and yes I thought we were owed a forward pass call after Hudds that week but that's what you get after a sending off an unconscious way of evening up.

Refereeing on the whole was good with the exception that Moore let them get away with a lot at the rook/ptb all the dark arts were employed, I don't blame pies as they were backs against the wall and they reminded me of rats cornered. Also it was a very big 10 that Moore played off felt we didn't get the rub for 6 against or offsides but again I think that was down to the unconscious levelling up.

Also Thailer at VR although got his decisions right seem to be looked at ways not too against us was almost aggrieved to give Thewlis try.

But end of day basic rugby league cost us and I get whilst some reference the 80-0 but on that I felt gutted but with this it was the hope that killed me I always felt we would do it until we didn't and it was so close that those errors just make it even more hard to swallow.

1 comp to focus on now, let's pick up and move on.
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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:02 pm  
clutch wrote:
Think all the Matuitia bashing is a bit unfair. He’s a perfectly solid squad option. He’s just not a stand off. He had a decent season last year and got through a load of work when the pack weren’t making any yardage. Think he’s probably a loose forward. Not his fault Powell keeps inexplicably starting him at stand off. Just feels like a fall guy. Far bigger issues to worry about.

That pass for Thewlis was perfectly good. Also gets given 9.5/10. The game is a shambles. Who calls that. A ref can’t see it. Does a touch judge? Have to bring back video ref interventions. PM is in front of the ball when he catches it. Unless he accelerated after the pass it can’t be forward.



I agree that it’s not necessarily Matautia’s fault, but either he or Powell are in for a really uncomfortable video review session this week. Anyone that has been in one knows it’s not one way traffic, often with some robust push back from players.

We can’t avoid how on three occasions Matautia had the ball in try scoring opportunities (the two in my earlier post, plus the Thewlis no-try) and we didn’t score any. They have to be in the video. Now, if he’s been told to let the ball go and give the backs the chance, he’s in the stands next week. No two ways about it, he didn’t follow the plan and ultimately we lost as a direct result. Alternatively, if the plan was to play short and he followed blindly until 78 minutes where he breaks ranks but gets the pass wrong, you can expect Matautia (and I should hope the senior players) to stand up for himself and turn the revolver on Powell.

We’ll know when the team sheet goes up at the weekend, because you can’t pick Matautia again if he has bombed 3 chances out of 3 in such an important game, regardless of how much you might like him.
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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:11 pm  
I'll tell you how the video review will go

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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:13 pm  
It's amazing how fine the lines are with sport and feeling about a club. You were the execution of one pass away from knocking Wigan out of the cup on their own ground. Had that happened there would have been a far more bouyant mood, the McGuire resolution and possible imminent announcement of an incoming or two could have lifted it to quite a positive feeling. Instead, the pass is ruled forward and the forum and Twitter are full of calls for Powell's head and people refusing to watch you again until Powell or Kirkpatrick leave the club.
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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:25 pm  
There was definitely a spell when they ruled on forward passes. It’s perfectly possible to do so. Works well enough in Union. All you need is to use refs call. If ref gives no try then the video ref would have to back it up. I’d have no problem with that.

Last season was a disaster. The forwards were a joke. All I saw was Matuitia getting through a lot of graft. Perfectly decent season in context. Should he be starting in a team with super league ambitions. Of course not, but doesn’t mean he should be the fall guy.
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Re: Today’s game v Wigan. : Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:27 pm  
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There was definitely a spell when they ruled on forward passes. It’s perfectly possible to do so. Works well enough in Union. All you need is to use refs call. If ref gives no try then the video ref would have to back it up. I’d have no problem with that.

Last season was a disaster. The forwards were a joke. All I saw was Matuitia getting through a lot of graft. Perfectly decent season in context. Should he be starting in a team with super league ambitions. Of course not, but doesn’t mean he should be the fall guy.



they've never ruled on forward passes in SL, since day one.
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