[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

: Sun May 17, 2009 10:14 am  

Wires71 wrote:

I'm really enjoying the debate on this thread.

they have this sort of thing all the time on sin bin, as long as you stay away from Damo

: Mon May 18, 2009 8:22 pm  

Immigration is a fantastic idea if the people you are 'importing' are bringing with them job skills, a reasonable level of intellegence and, most importantly, they are both civillised and will learn to respect our culture.

Unfortunately, this has not happened, and because of this we now have a situation where cultures constantly clash, and as others have mentioned, tribalism among communities arises.

My main problem is that people have become scared to actually voice opinions because of fear of being classed racist.

Take the recent gurkha case.....My own view, and I reckon the view of many, was that why deny entry, to men who have actually FOUGHT for our country, yet seemingly allow every Tom, Dick and Harry in, under the vague cloak that they are students, or something else as shadowy?.....A reasonable opinion??.... I think so, yet if you voiced that too vocally you get shot down as racist.

Similarly, whenever I hear of a shooting incident on the news, I automatically expect it to involve (and it usually does) black people....Yes, its a sad natural instinct, but one that statistics tell us his an expected one...Yet, once again, if you dare mention your 'instinct' you are once again labelled a bigot.

I am not naive enough to believe that all our problems would never have happened without immigration, but we have to be aware that with immigration brings many problems which for some, outweigh greatly the advantages.

: Mon May 18, 2009 8:50 pm  

The Angry Pirate wrote:

Immigration is a fantastic idea if the people you are 'importing' are bringing with them job skills, a reasonable level of intellegence and, most importantly, they are both civillised and will learn to respect our culture.

Unfortunately, this has not happened, and because of this we now have a situation where cultures constantly clash, and as others have mentioned, tribalism among communities arises.

My main problem is that people have become scared to actually voice opinions because of fear of being classed racist.

Take the recent gurkha case.....My own view, and I reckon the view of many, was that why deny entry, to men who have actually FOUGHT for our country, yet seemingly allow every Tom, Dick and Harry in, under the vague cloak that they are students, or something else as shadowy?.....A reasonable opinion??.... I think so, yet if you voiced that too vocally you get shot down as racist.

Similarly, whenever I hear of a shooting incident on the news, I automatically expect it to involve (and it usually does) black people....Yes, its a sad natural instinct, but one that statistics tell us his an expected one...Yet, once again, if you dare mention your 'instinct' you are once again labelled a bigot.

I am not naive enough to believe that all our problems would never have happened without immigration, but we have to be aware that with immigration brings many problems which for some, outweigh greatly the advantages.

Whilst neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your main point, this issue of the Ghurka is much more complicated. Even in recent history since 1800 onwards, millions of non-British have fought "for our country"in wars such as the Peninsular war, Anglo-Afghan War, Crimean, Boer, WW1, WW2 and yet we do not extend the rights of citizenship to their descendents.

The Ghurkas were never ever promised citizenship and were rewarded well for their loyal service.

: Mon May 18, 2009 10:23 pm  

The Angry Pirate wrote:

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I am not naive enough to believe that all our problems would never have happened without immigration, but we have to be aware that with immigration brings many problems which for some, outweigh greatly the advantages.

The roads we use, the language we speak and even Christianity was introduced by immigrants. I wouldn't agree that they are outweighed in today's society.

: Tue May 19, 2009 7:16 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

The Ghurkas were never ever promised citizenship and were rewarded well for their loyal service.

I fully appreciate this, and respect any rules that are drawn up concerning immigration....I just don't understand a system that denies UK citizenship to genuine applicants, who have actually contributed already to the British nation, whilst allowing in some of the dubious people who do gain entry.

: Tue May 19, 2009 7:36 pm  

Not voted since 1987 and see no point changing that now.Onlly ever see the 3 main partys in Warrington,but if the ku klux klan,khymer rouge or natural law party ever stood here,then i'd vote for 1 of those 3,just to get rid of this corrupt lot.

ps/ surely only a matter of time before local councillors expenses are looked into,lets see where the poll tax money goes...