Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:06 am  

Douglas Black wrote:

I didn't comment on it, but yes I would have.

Well that's fair enough then. I'm not sure what to make about the Mcguire case, on one hand there seems to be very little actual evidence to back it up and it seems to be a case of one person's word against his and IF he is found guilty on that basis then it opens up a whole can of worms. On the other hand IF it is true what he said and about who it was said about then he needs the book throwing at him. I accept sledging goes on in the game,it always has,but you just don't go past a certain point with it.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:07 am  

The ref heard McGuire last time, but no official heard anything this time. So this stems from Charnley just saying McGuire said something and being put on report.
But there must be more to it than that, or any player could say someone said somthing and get them banned. So i can't see this ban just being because a player claimed he said something.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:09 am  

It's embarrassing for us to try to question the process or the severity of the offence. It's a dark day for our club and one we need to seize before it sullies our strong reputation as an inclusive community club.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:10 am  

Just to add…

Not condoning McGuire at all, he is bang out of order. However, I thought what happened on the pitch stayed on the pitch. There must be lots done and said in every single game whilst trying to wind the opposition up. Is Charnley the biggest snake of them all for snitching not once but twice? Hasn’t he got an axe to grind with Warrington and hasn’t he used this situation to heap trouble on his former club and team?

Also, there were rumours that another Warrington player had given McGuire the full sp on Charnley’s kid. If this is true shouldn’t this other player also be reprimanded for loading the gun?

I also agree that the punishment does seem to outweigh the crime here. Some of the physical stuff is getting away lightly by comparison.

It’s a man’s game currently played by men acting like kids. The game is going down the pan.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:12 am  

What do the minutes say? I’m on holiday and haven’t had the chance to sit down and try to find therm. TIA.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:14 am  

just_browny wrote:

It's embarrassing for us to try to question the process or the severity of the offence. It's a dark day for our club and one we need to seize before it sullies our strong reputation as an inclusive community club.

Quite

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:16 am  

easyWire wrote:

What do the minutes say? I’m on holiday and haven’t had the chance to sit down and try to find therm. TIA.

No minutes as far as I can see.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:23 am  

One of the most disappointing things is that McGuire seems to have lied about the first offence. He was quoted as saying (not verbatim) 'I said something bad but I didn't say THAT'.

Someone mentioned to me that whilst at Currie's testimonial dinner at Burtonwood that he stated that he was unaware that the slur he used was so frowned upon in this country when it isn't in Australia.

So his earlier denial doesn't hold water. Not good.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:37 am  

just_browny wrote:

It's embarrassing for us to try to question the process or the severity of the offence. It's a dark day for our club and one we need to seize before it sullies our strong reputation as an inclusive community club.

I think it's embarrassing for the sport, and society in general, that we consider name calling as more of a hanging offence than if you physically injure someone, potentially finishing their career.

Re: McGuire : Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:39 am  

There was a huge moan last year that the bans for players were excessive - they’ve rectified this and reduced the sanctions of each grading.
We need to wait for the minutes to be released, but he has now been twice found guilty of using language that has no place in society, never mind from somebody representing our town and our sport on a national stage. I expect a very good explanation as to why his bags haven’t already been packed, the silence from the club on this is deafening.