Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:01 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

Has Currie signed for Saints?

Looking back it wasn'y you who mentioned Saints. Your statement was that Currie would have more chance of achieving greater prize money that at another club and based on last season, with the exception of Saints, this would have been true - so my appologies.

The fact remains that the days of 'work-arounds' such as agreed prize money, win bonuses, employing a player's spouse, defferred payments, image rights etc are all long gone.

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:27 pm  

St Helens Wolf wrote:

Looking back it wasn'y you who mentioned Saints. Your statement was that Currie would have more chance of achieving greater prize money that at another club and based on last season, with the exception of Saints, this would have been true - so my appologies.
The fact remains that the days of 'work-arounds' such as agreed prize money, win bonuses, employing a player's spouse, defferred payments, image rights etc are all long gone.

Hey no need to apologise to me friend. You’ve done me no wrong. I can’t prove that Sandow’s £230k ish demand was met by way of part bonus top up promise, but it makes sense. If you think about it why offer him £230k done and then pay him bonuses on top when that then becomes far in excess of what he’d had currently been on in the NRL?
It was a player that revealed the amount he received as a bonus and what he was left with after paying off a debt(ahem).

As with Currie, he will know how much a club will have to stump up to out do his contract offer with the likelihood of bonuses before excepting.

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:39 pm  

Boss Hog wrote: The Salary cap interpretation of prize money isn`t limited to appearing in finals or winning trophies. It also applies to home games Man of the Match prize money, that is awarded by the Match Sponser for that game!!!!!!....................... Bit of a grey area that one, it mentions Man of The Match monies can be excluded along with Man of Steel or other individual awards, but I think this only relates to official Man of The Match awards for the Challenge Cup Final & Grand Final and Official End of Season Super League awards. I know Salford were punished a few years back for giving Niall Evalds a bonus of a Maserati car for being awarded 'Player of the Year'. As it wasn't an 'Official' Super League award Salford were charged with breaking the cap for this and a few other things in 2016. I can't see how Man of The match awards awarded by the club can be excluded from a players salary, it's too open to misuse for both the value of awards being given and who the award is given to. International appearances are excluded from the cap (to a max of £5k per game) and any expenses relating to the education of a player can also be excluded. If you want a fun read the rules are in the link below. https://secure.rugby-league.com/ign_docs/Super%20League%20Salary%20Cap%20Regulations%202016.pdf

Boss Hog wrote: The Salary cap interpretation of prize money isn`t limited to appearing in finals or winning trophies. It also applies to home games Man of the Match prize money, that is awarded by the Match Sponser for that game!!!!!!....................... Bit of a grey area that one, it mentions Man of The Match monies can be excluded along with Man of Steel or other individual awards, but I think this only relates to official Man of The Match awards for the Challenge Cup Final & Grand Final and Official End of Season Super League awards. I know Salford were punished a few years back for giving Niall Evalds a bonus of a Maserati car for being awarded 'Player of the Year'. As it wasn't an 'Official' Super League award Salford were charged with breaking the cap for this and a few other things in 2016. I can't see how Man of The match awards awarded by the club can be excluded from a players salary, it's too open to misuse for both the value of awards being given and who the award is given to. International appearances are excluded from the cap (to a max of £5k per game) and any expenses relating to the education of a player can also be excluded. If you want a fun read the rules are in the link below. https://secure.rugby-league.com/ign_docs/Super%20League%20Salary%20Cap%20Regulations%202016.pdf

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:46 pm  

St Helens Wolf wrote:

The fact remains that the days of 'work-arounds' such as agreed prize money, win bonuses, employing a player's spouse, defferred payments, image rights etc are all long gone.

The league catches up with these kind of work-arounds easily and just updates the rules to remove them. The real danger with the salary cap is when unscrupulous officials at a club think they have discovered an ingenious way to deliberately break the rules in a way that can't be detected. Sometimes they can get away with it for a while, until it all comes to light and years of cheating becomes exposed, at huge cost to the club and fans who did nothing wrong...Canterbury Bulldogs....Melbourne Storm....Saracens....

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:33 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

The league catches up with these kind of work-arounds easily and just updates the rules to remove them. The real danger with the salary cap is when unscrupulous officials at a club think they have discovered an ingenious way to deliberately break the rules in a way that can't be detected. Sometimes they can get away with it for a while, until it all comes to light and years of cheating becomes exposed, at huge cost to the club and fans who did nothing wrong...Canterbury Bulldogs....Melbourne Storm....Saracens....

taking SL here...the latest president has been set. £10k for Leeds, who just took it....
The RFL not wanting to go through the 2 points saga like they did with Wigan, and paying for it too!

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:38 pm  

I’d just send the RFL £10k in advance and go out and blow the cap.

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:39 pm  

Currie re-signs. He knows what I meant about bonuses.

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:23 pm  

Has he ? Good news if confirmed

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:34 pm  

The Railwayman wrote:

Has he ? Good news if confirmed

It’ll come out soon. It’ll be all over FB first. Not by me.

Re: Out of contract players : Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:13 pm  

Good news if true.