Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:12 am  

That Mon wrote:

May get shot down with this it is off season so excuse me.
The way I look at it is that once Warrington start producing and relying on the amount of talent through their own youth structure as Wigan, who have and continue to do so, you will find that a Paul Prescot situation turns up. I do hope you continue down this path as it will be good for RL. Injuries are part of the game, I would guess the more top level players you produce would lead to an higher level of names that you can mention who get injured?
Just going off Paul wood I think he had a bad run with injuries (you will know more than me) Would say four or so seasons he was at the top of his game but has tailed off since maybe not enough care?or as I think a % of players will get injured playing rugby. Morley played a lot from a young age and he was still strong three seasons back and you could say at a higher level with his NRL stint.

When Prescott was playing for Wigan, there were the following non-Wigan products playing for Wigan: Gleeson Carmont Richards Deacon Leuluai Fielden McIlorum Coley Riddell Palleaaesina Finch Lima Hoffman Mossop. Yes there were also five or six Wigan products too, but around those years it was nothing like Wigan's last few years. You make it out to be like Wigan only ever field sides of 10+ Wigan products who Wigan "rely" on as the core of their team.

There are about the same amount of Warrington products playing for Wire now as there were Wigan products playing for Wigan when Prescott was a Wigan player.

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:27 am  

Mossop and McLlorum both came through the Wigan youth structure.

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:57 am  

BuckleyStreetWire wrote:

When Prescott was playing for Wigan, there were the following non-Wigan products playing for Wigan: Gleeson Carmont Richards Deacon Leuluai Fielden McIlorum Coley Riddell Palleaaesina Finch Lima Hoffman Mossop. Yes there were also five or six Wigan products too, but around those years it was nothing like Wigan's last few years. You make it out to be like Wigan only ever field sides of 10+ Wigan products who Wigan "rely" on as the core of their team.


There are about the same amount of Warrington products playing for Wire now as there were Wigan products playing for Wigan when Prescott was a Wigan player.

I'm not having a go here, It's great to see Warringtons junior side make a final. Great for you and RL in general! I think Wigan got on to that a few years back and I'm sure that when you have had a few years of bringing players through at the same level that you will have examples of players who look nailed on for the top, who either don't make it at your own club or careers end or stagnate. Joe Mellor looked a top prospect at junior level and while he's a SL player I think he could have been much more, if not for a bad injury. That's just an example no lack of care just luck and the way players bodies are different. Leeds played Morley from a young age he's played at the very top for a long time don't think he's been cared for he's just tough has anyone could be.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:58 am  

Yeah, I'd forgotten Wigan ruined fielden as well, Damn shame what you did to that lad

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:01 am  

That Mon wrote:

I'm not having a go here, It's great to see Warringtons junior side make a final. Great for you and RL in general! I think Wigan got on to that a few years back and I'm sure that when you have had a few years of bringing players through at the same level that you will have examples of players who look nailed on for the top, who either don't make it at your own club or careers end or stagnate. Joe Mellor looked a top prospect at junior level and while he's a SL player I think he could have been much more, if not for a bad injury. That's just an example no lack of care just luck and the way players bodies are different. Leeds played Morley from a young age he's played at the very top for a long time don't think he's been cared for he's just tough has anyone could be.

You've mentioned Morley there, what you have to remember with Morley that when he was a kid coming through it was at the start of superleague nearly twenty years ago when it was the transition of part to full time, for everyone, so his introduction for the first three years he wasn't getting the car crash treatment props are having to deal with these days.

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:07 am  

He was a backrower back then.

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:55 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

You've mentioned Morley there, what you have to remember with Morley that when he was a kid coming through it was at the start of superleague nearly twenty years ago when it was the transition of part to full time, for everyone, so his introduction for the first three years he wasn't getting the car crash treatment props are having to deal with these days.

Yes my point is.... I think you will find many players who have come through youth systems in that time who have either not made it or called time on their careers not many will have had a harder,tougher or longer career at the very top. His he lucky, better put together or cared for? I would say it's a mixture of the first two he's probably look after himself very well also off the field. I used Morley has he's played for you and while I have done some moaning at him while watching him play against Wigan in my time he's been a one of the very best I've seen.

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:58 am  

Ben Harrison played more 1st team games under the age of 21 than either Prescott, Mossop, Tuson or Burke.

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:17 pm  

That Mon wrote:

Joe Mellor looked a top prospect at junior level and while he's a SL player I think he could have been much more, if not for a bad injury.

Injured in a wrestling session against someone over 4 stone heavier than him... twisted round and dumped on his back... really bad leg injury that he has never really recovered properly from.

As 'madge' called it.. roadkill achieved.