Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:27 pm  

MorePlaymakersNeeded wrote:

Any coach that improves our non existent line speed will improve our chances of winning games. We gave Huddersfield so much room to play in that we made Theo Fages look like Alfie Langer. I'm not interested in debating what happened at other clubs back in the day, as the issues are the here and now at our club.

Do you think that Powell is sending the players out to deliberately give opposition players loads of room to play, or, more realistically, do you think he actually is telling them to do these basics correctly, but the players are simply not good, or intelligent, enough to carry out his instruction?.... if, as likely, its the latter, then a change of coach isn't going to suddenly change things, is it?

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:37 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Do you think that Powell is sending the players out to deliberately give opposition players loads of room to play, or, more realistically, do you think he actually is telling them to do these basics correctly, but the players are simply not good, or intelligent, enough to carry out his instruction?.... if, as likely, its the latter, then a change of coach isn't going to suddenly change things, is it?

He recruits, prepares, and selects the team that represents Warrington Wolves RLFC. The responsibility lies with him.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:56 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

No doubt that its now Powell's side and if they ultimately fail to perform then that will be the sword that he will fall on - that's the way with most coaches in most sports.

However, my point was a simple change in coach won't necessarily change our fortunes, at least not immediately. Its likely another period of transition would have to be started - it's unlikely this group of players will suddenly become world beaters, just because Powell was to leave.

Basically, the best sides always end up winning, whoever is in charge - coaches like Noble and McDermott were made to look good by great sides, but what did they ever do once the great sides were taken from their disposal?

Problem is if DP were in charge of Barrie Mac’s Leeds he would’ve told Sinfield to get lost and brought Peanut in to play 6/13….Ollie Holmes would’ve seen off JJB as well.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:00 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

Problem is if DP were in charge of Barrie Mac’s Leeds he would’ve told Sinfield to get lost and brought Peanut in to play 6/13….Ollie Holmes would’ve seen off JJB as well.

Didn't Powell actually bring those guys through at Leeds?

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:01 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Do you think that Powell is sending the players out to deliberately give opposition players loads of room to play, or, more realistically, do you think he actually is telling them to do these basics correctly, but the players are simply not good, or intelligent, enough to carry out his instruction?.... if, as likely, its the latter, then a change of coach isn't going to suddenly change things, is it?

It's Powell's squad, he has the responsibility to get them to perform as well as they can, individually and as a team, and gives the tactics to do so. We'll win nothing with a passive defence, we don't need any coaching badges to see this, it's so obvious. Powell was heralded as a coach that improved players, and make a bunch of journeymen into a competitive team, but were yet to see this happen at Warrington. The answer to your thread title is a resounding yes.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:19 pm  

MorePlaymakersNeeded wrote:

The answer to your thread title is a resounding yes.

Ok, that's good to know.

So Brian McDermott or Brian Noble were the reason for the success of their GF winning sides then, which is odd, because their records since would suggest otherwise?

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:24 pm  

Pointless asking a question you already know the answer to. Why bother having a coach then? Do you think City would still win the league with Sam Allardyce in charge? I don’t. Right place right time for some coaches/managers admittedly, but some know when best to leave alone.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:31 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

Pointless asking a question you already know the answer to. Why bother having a coach then? Do you think City would still win the league with Sam Allardyce in charge? I don’t. Right place right time for some coaches/managers admittedly, but some know when best to leave alone.

The City example is an interesting one. At the moment, there seems to be a growing consensus that Pep is the greatest coach of all time, on the basis that he takes the dominant club in each league he's managed and wins trophies.

In reality, you can't ever judge his real ability until he takes an underachieving and financially restricted club and wins trophies with them. Until then, he will always be behind the achievements of Alex Ferguson, or even Mourinhio.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:36 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Didn't Powell actually bring those guys through at Leeds?

Of the two mentioned, Sinfield debuted in 1997 and JJB in 1999, before DP coached Leeds in 2001. For balance, Danny McGuire and Rob Burrow did debut under DP at Leeds.

What annoys me is that Thewlis has been moved to the wing to accommodate Dufty, and Riley Dean hasn't had a fair chance to show what he can do. Wrench is only playing centre because of Matautia playing in the halves. Otherwise, he'd also be on the wing, or one of him and Thewlis either on the bench or not even in the 17. DP appears to have no trust in our talent that has come through from our academy, but trusted Holmes (for a season), and Matautia for 2 seasons, when they were quite frankly not good enough.

Re: How Important Is The Coach? : Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:42 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Ok, that's good to know.

So Brian McDermott or Brian Noble were the reason for the success of their GF winning sides then, which is odd, because their records since would suggest otherwise?

I've already said that I'm not debating the back in the day of other clubs, it's the issues at our club, today, that are relevant.