Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:27 am  

adamthespaniel wrote:

I think Briers and Hodgson should be given a pay as you play contract for next year. This will benefit the younger kids coming through but also ensures they are there when needed.

Morley and Solo im not so sure about. Always dangerous and worth a place in the team but we havent seen solo yet and morley has not been himself so far this season.

O'brien and Coops deserve new contracts as they have both played well especially Cooper.

Higham? well it all depends on what Smith wants from his hookers next season. M Monas & Dwyer as regulars? if so higham will not be needed even if he has had some stand out performances.

Laithwaite should be offered a new contract IMO. From whats been said about him and how he has performed for the u20's and for leigh. St Helens will be sniffing around shortly for him.

I'm still not convinced about Williams. He's built well and has pace but there is something that isnt quite there, his rugby brain isnt quite what it should be but he always tries.

Mitchell will probably go to Cas at the end of his loan as he has performed relatively well for them.

All sensible stuff, apart from the first sentence. Players of Briers's and Hodgon's talent and rep won't settle for 'pay as you play'. Hodgson showed when leaving Giants that a decent contract was essential, and he could move to any number of SL clubs, probably even get another two year deal. Briers would feel regally shafted to be offered such an arrangement. If Hodgson does not retire, I expect TS will want to keep him playing some games while Ratchford learns the trade in others. Briers will probably get another year and a promise of a coaching position.

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:09 am  

All to stay

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:40 am  

Asgardian13 wrote:

All sensible stuff, apart from the first sentence. Players of Briers's and Hodgon's talent and rep won't settle for 'pay as you play'. Hodgson showed when leaving Giants that a decent contract was essential, and he could move to any number of SL clubs, probably even get another two year deal. Briers would feel regally shafted to be offered such an arrangement. If Hodgson does not retire, I expect TS will want to keep him playing some games while Ratchford learns the trade in others. Briers will probably get another year and a promise of a coaching position.

I agree. These incentive based contracts will only work for players that are stuck without a club and have huge clouds over their injury record so they can't get a club to take a chance on them.

Also how do you budget the salary cap for a "pay as you play" deal? Do you base it on the player playing 15 games a season, 20 games, 25 games, what? What would happen if we had Briers on a pay as you play deal and had left enough money in the cap based on him playing 25 games in the season and he was fit and in form all year, do we have to leave him out in certain fixtures so as not to exceed the salary cap. Does the chairman have to knock on Tony Smith's door and say "sorry coach, best leave Briers out this week, we can't afford to pay him else we're over the cap"

Alternatively we could budget for him playing every week....in which case why not pay him that as his contract anyway...?

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:17 am  

briers = worth another year
morley = worth another year
hodgson = worth another year
laithewaite = longer term
O'brien = longer term
mike cooper = longer term
The rest = Mitchell will go, Higher too hopefully, Williams may have to go.

OR

Whatever Tony/the Club think is in the best interest of the club!!!

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:12 pm  

morley
hodgson
solomona
higham
mitchell
rhys williams
Are the one's i'd let go.

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:25 pm  

Briers Another year please
Morley Mmmm I feel a traitor but.............
Hodgson Another year please
Solomona Another year please
Higham Another 2 years please
O'Brien Long term contract
Coops Long term contract
Williams Long term contract

[Winslade's Offload]

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:25 pm  

Fatbelly wrote:

Briers Another year please
Morley Mmmm I feel a traitor but.............
Hodgson Another year please
Solomona Another year please
Higham Another 2 years please
O'Brien Long term contract
Coops Long term contract
Williams Long term contract

I think that would be my pick FB but I would have Williams on short term.

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:41 pm  

Fatbelly wrote:

Higham Another 2 years please
Williams Long term contract

are you being serious? we dont need higham when we have a good youngster like dwyer coming through and he is well passed it now, makes to many unforced errors and waste chances!
williams is not needed either with players like rhys evans back fit and going to the be one of the most exciting young talents in superleague, he dont need either, they can both go

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:19 pm  

chrissyg1996 wrote:

are you being serious? we dont need higham when we have a good youngster like dwyer coming through and he is well passed it now, makes to many unforced errors and waste chances!
williams is not needed either with players like rhys evans back fit and going to the be one of the most exciting young talents in superleague, he dont need either, they can both go

Yes off course I am serious. I would not joke or take risks with something as important as our team.

Mickey is a quality player with vast experience. If we had let Mickey leave at the start of this season what would we have done for the past 11 games that Monas M has missed. Please don't say play Brad because he is young & still learning his trade, what I have seen of him is good but that's for the future & not now.

With regards to Rhys W he has not made many starts this season and he is not currently my 1st choice winger but he does deserve another contract.

Re: who do we keep next year : Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:39 pm  

At the moment I would consider releasing Morley, Hodgson, Solomona and Higham but I'm open to changing my mind on any of them. I think we need to make sure we don't hold onto players a year too long and they are all on my 'at risk' register of that.