: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:38 am  

Powdered Toast Man wrote:

Gleeson will be a Wigan player before the weekend, for definite.

Mathers, Goulding & cash coming our way.

HP or Heinz?

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:42 am  

Worcester!

The man himself at a Wigan St Judes game

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:45 am  

Powdered Toast Man wrote:

Worcester!

The man himself at a Wigan St Judes game

Did you ask why?

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:49 am  

Deal.

I've enjoyed watching him but it's time for change. It's time to back the coach because god knows we've all backed the players enough times, only now, we've got a coach that you feel is worth backing.

He's the closest to the situation, day in day out, he'll got a gut feel for peoples motivations, appetite & such. If Smith, Gleeson or both think that it's the best for both parties, and we do okay out of the agreement, then I think it's time.

What is it that folk bring up, Individuals win matches, Teams win Trophies ? Something like that, I'll go with that, lets get a team together, and if sacrifice a bit of flair, or toss away a bit of talent that might well come back and bite us or whatever, then so be it, because it's all orientated towards getting what we want, success.

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:50 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

well they got to 2 major finals under Mike Gregory in 2003 and 2004, and we were around 6th-7th that time not exactly relegation fodder

last year we came 6th, they came 4th, we got knocked out the first round of the playoffs, they got through to the final eliminator

the year before we came 7th, they came 4th, we didn't make the playoffs, they got through to the final eliminator

Im sure if those positions were reversed, and a Wigan fan came on here telling us that Wigan were better than us, he wouldn't get much support for his argument!

I wonder if we had come 4th in the last two seasons and recorded the playoff wins that they had, that great turn around against Bradford....beating Catalans in Catalans....if Paul Cullen would still be in a job. I'm sure he would.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to this 'we nearly made it' nonsense. It's like saying we were quite good under Van de Velde because we made the quarter and semi-final of the Challenge Cup!

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:06 pm  

He's leaving at the end of the season anyway so personally i don't really care.

Smith probably wants committed players (Gleeson obviously isn't).

Personally i would prefer other players coming in.

offload him to leeds and get some promising talent like Ashley Gibson.

but getting in players that Wigan don't even want?

Wigan have been more successful in SL but they are still not a great team.

Gleeson would be making an even bigger mistake than the one he did leaving Saints.

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:18 pm  

I assume Smith is thinking back to when he worked with Mathers at Leeds. I am going to trust his judgment.

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:20 pm  

Very good player when on form, can sometimes be a bit inconsistent. He’ll be amazing for a run of games then have a lean spell for several games. Like most have stated you have to worry about the calibre of replacement if they can’t get into a poor Wigan side. It’s almost the equivalent deal of us swapping reardon (was once good + injury problems) and blythe (up and coming-ish player with super league experience who now can’t get into the team) for Carmont (their best centre).

Hopefully a nice chunk of cash will ease the pain and Tony smith can continue his revolution.

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:29 pm  

sally this is the best post ever thank you and i look forward to more whats your views on jon clarke villian or hero? I can never work the guy out

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:35 pm  

Deal..

If Smith isn't going to play him as a centre then we should get rid.

No Deal..

If Smith is going to put him back as centre.


But i would like to know the following before anything happens;

a)if Gleeson want to go
b)if Smith thinks PJ is a better centre
c)he thinks that Gleeson is a our best option at Stand Off.
d)we need the money.