The Penny Myth : Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:54 am  

I know stats don't tell the full story but they're one of the few things that we have to measure things on, we're always getting told by our own fans and fans of other clubs that Penny is this, Penny is that..we know alot of other fans do it due to his superstar status he recieved after a good finish to the 2007 season, but how does he compare to some of the "elite wingers" in these areas he's supposed to struggle in. Who alot of people classed has having a really good season last year. I rate Fox and think he has the size and skill to reach the top, my post is more aimed at why Penny recieves so much sh*t. Peter fox for example: http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

I know stats don't tell the full story but they're one of the few things that we have to measure things on, we're always getting told by our own fans and fans of other clubs that Penny is this, Penny is that..we know alot of other fans do it due to his superstar status he recieved after a good finish to the 2007 season, but how does he compare to some of the "elite wingers" in these areas he's supposed to struggle in. Who alot of people classed has having a really good season last year. I rate Fox and think he has the size and skill to reach the top, my post is more aimed at why Penny recieves so much sh*t. Peter fox for example: http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:21 am  

I think the problem may be that penny doesn't make any more errors than any one else but the ones he does make tend to be real howlers and more often than not have come at a crucial time in a game and you have then gone on to lose, these mistakes then stick in the mind more.

Also, the reason away fans don't like him is he seems to have a real arrogance about him particularly when scoring tries, this is not necessarily a bad thing if channelled correctly, but waving to the fans one minute while scoring and then coughing up the ball to cost a try at the other end often amuses us away fans. I'll never forget the "one kevin penny" chants at stains last year, that was a classic example.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:27 am  

sandy wrote:

I think the problem may be that penny doesn't make any more errors than any one else but the ones he does make tend to be real howlers and more often than not have come at a crucial time in a game and you have then gone on to lose, these mistakes then stick in the mind more.

Also, the reason away fans don't like him is he seems to have a real arrogance about him particularly when scoring tries, this is not necessarily a bad thing if channelled correctly, but waving to the fans one minute while scoring and then coughing up the ball to cost a try at the other end often amuses us away fans. I'll never forget the "one kevin penny" chants at stains last year, that was a classic example.

He only tends to do it to his own fans as far as I can remember? I remember him coughing one up at Saints but they're aren't many occasions, I bet Francis Meli couhgs up more that lead to direct points.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:38 am  

Stats can't lie.................

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:18 am  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Stats can't lie.................

I have it on good authority that hips don't lie either. Shakira told me.

Following Smith's comments about Riley, I'm comfortable with the fact that, when he's ready and merits inclusion, Penny will get his chance again. It's up to him to take it and I'm hopeful he will.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:19 am  

all wingers drop the odd high ball or get bundled into touch,look at offiah he was hopeless in defence and couldn't tackle a big dinner.i think penny has improved his tackling and is less prone to darting out of the line when he shouldn't.
a winger needs protection but when his inside centre or second row leave the line too quickly he is vulnerable,tries get run in on his wing and people say we are weak down that side.
ade gardner had plenty of the same faults as penny when he started getting games at saints but he always had a solid centre inside of him,saints persevered and coached him well and he went on to play internationals.
i cannot see any reason why the same should not apply to penny,who have we got out there currently that could go the length of the field if given the chance to do so.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:07 pm  

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 8&hp2=2828 Look at the Errors count on the left hand side Briers and Monas shocking goes some way to explaining our problems

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 8&hp2=2828 Look at the Errors count on the left hand side Briers and Monas shocking goes some way to explaining our problems

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:15 pm  

YED79 wrote:

http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?season=2008&stat=errors&hs1=2008&hp1=384&hs2=2008&hp2=2828

Look at the Errors count on the left hand side Briers and Monas shocking

goes some way to explaining our problems

Not really, they are only just ahead of Webb and McGuire.

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:21 pm  

SEB wrote:

Not really, they are only just ahead of Webb and McGuire.

Leeds usually have more possession then Warrington so probability states they would be more likely to lose the ball [Leeds]

Plus they make more happen when they don't make the errors

: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:26 pm  

Neither King or Penny are the problem on the left wing.....