While I’m broadly positive about Burgess/Chambers and the recruitment & retention work, I read similar about Bullock when we signed him. Granted, the environment that he came into was different, I just worry as to why Wigan would let anyone leave to join Warrington.
It’s not a case of them allowing him to leave. With this new thing of players in last year of contract now able to talk to other clubs sooner my guess is we have offered him a better deal than Wigan wanted to.
It’s not a case of them allowing him to leave. With this new thing of players in last year of contract now able to talk to other clubs sooner my guess is we have offered him a better deal than Wigan wanted to.
Pretty sure that will be the case. With Thompson and Havard starting games and both regularly playing for 50 minutes plus, there are very few minutes to go at for Dupree, Mago, Byrne and Hill and the need of Warrington, compared to the need of Wigan will have lead to more money being on the table at Warrington. I think he'll be a regularly starter at Warrington and you can't begrudge him taking the opportunity to have both a better chance of a starting shirt and more money, all while still being at a club that can compete for trophies.
Can see him struggling for game time if Peet favours Harvie Hill which is understandable from Wigan’s point of view. Might be coming over in mid season like Luke Yates if we have room in the salary cap.
Can see him struggling for game time if Peet favours Harvie Hill which is understandable from Wigan’s point of view. Might be coming over in mid season like Luke Yates if we have room in the salary cap.
i posted something very similar on the other wigan forum, but more of a question re Hill
as myself and the other Wigan fans have said, our starting props are Thompson and Havard, with Byrne usually 3rd choice with Dupree and Mago. It will be interesting to see if Matty Peet still uses Byrne all season, or if he looks to the future (for Wigan) and gives Hill more time from the bench. What Wigan cant do this season, is to isolate him completely as we will need him to be fighting fit when there are injuries and suspensions
Talking of Hill, i keep thinking a 1 year for chris Hill wouldn't be bad........before you find me and beat me up. He wouldn't play every week, still does a good job, and my thinking is mainly for the experience, knowledge and professional attitude he could pass on and help develop our younger guys. Especially the forwards such as Wood, Thomas, Green, Whitehead, Holroyd etc So i'm not saying we desperately need him but he could be pretty useful. Been thinking it for awhile, but the guys on the radio were just on about it so thought cool, it's not just me then
If you look at the facts though, he’s at the best club, with the best team, with the international coach working there, winning routinely… he’s not looking for a new challenge a few miles down the road, the NRL would take a punt at his price.
So we’re paying more, or he’s not wanted. If we pay him more, no problem if he returns on the investment, if not we lose more ground. But his best years are ahead of him, he’s really experienced, and an experienced winner, and we have a convincing coach who seems to connect well with players.
I’m really struggling to find anything negative in the (potential) signing of Byrne. Don’t think he will be Vaughan’s replacement but that will become clearer as time passes. As for Wigan not offering him a better deal, see G Williams and M Nicholson.
I’m really struggling to find anything negative in the (potential) signing of Byrne. Don’t think he will be Vaughan’s replacement but that will become clearer as time passes. As for Wigan not offering him a better deal, see G Williams and M Nicholson.
We literally outbid them on both. And the Nicholson one is a good example actually, if we take Bryne and Hill has a clear path in the first team in the same way Nsemba has in the absence of Nicholson, they win. They get more, for less. And their rival pay more, for less. And as much as I like Nicholson, Nsemba was more effective last year.
In a salary cap sport (for those in the mix, although I think the salary cap deserves its own discussion), you need to get return on the money you pay, we need to find something to close the gap and overpaying for players isn’t the way.
I’m not being negative about it, I just think we need to get to the bottom of why he is available. If we’re rolling together the Crowther and Wood money and think Byrne will do the job of both, great. Completely understand that. But if we’re using 70-80% or more of Vaughan money on Byrne, there’s not enough money remaining to add enough to see that our pack doesn’t regress. Because you know, you just KNOW that Wigan have another Byrne, and another Hill and a Smithies, a Partington etc etc etc waiting in the wings being paid peanuts to do the same or better job. It’s up to us to make him deliver on the investment, or the gap opens wider. Not just that, but it blocks the path of Thomas, Green, Whitehead… Prudent recruitment would be to wait until May time and challenge those kids to kick the door down and make the Byrne deal seem unnecessary, but the November 1st negotiation date makes that difficult, as you’d be beaten to the signature.
It’s not a case of them allowing him to leave. With this new thing of players in last year of contract now able to talk to other clubs sooner my guess is we have offered him a better deal than Wigan wanted to.
I think you are probably correct. A good signing for you.
Talking of Hill, i keep thinking a 1 year for chris Hill wouldn't be bad........before you find me and beat me up. He wouldn't play every week, still does a good job, and my thinking is mainly for the experience, knowledge and professional attitude he could pass on and help develop our younger guys. Especially the forwards such as Wood, Thomas, Green, Whitehead, Holroyd etc So i'm not saying we desperately need him but he could be pretty useful. Been thinking it for awhile, but the guys on the radio were just on about it so thought cool, it's not just me then
I think I'd rather have Burgess nurture our young props than Chris Hill. You can't compare abilities or achievements.
