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Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:05 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

Yes I agree that the club (the employer) needs to set the goals for the coach (the employee). My question is that it's important to try and get the right fit hence the Jose analogy as winning with style wasn't his thing and if you don't then there's likely to be disappointment.

The 'Holy Grail' "win and entertain" might be in Wane's locker (did Wigan have different goals) but if it isn't should we be surprised and rightly disappointed if we ended up being a version of 'his' Wigan? Ultimately as only one of those attributes is empirical then the likelihood is that sooner or later, depending upon the hierarchy of those goals either the club, Wane or the supporters will get fed up. Wane "I won" Club "but were boring" OR Club "you lost" Wane "but I entertained".

From my perspective, I'd like to be fed up of winning GF's first and foremost and look forward to seeing the other good things that he seemed to engender in his teams like the importance of the academy and production line, a structured team ethic with a do or die run through a brick wall mentality.

Finally were Wigan really that boring?

the loss of around 4 thousand paying spectators over his tenure would suggest eventually so.

if anyone is having performance issues with the site, its probably due to leeds just announcing that kyle eastmond has signed for them

Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:07 pm  

I don't think Wigan were boring, simply not as entertaining as others.

In Wane's first season in charge, they scored nearly 1,000 points.

But most importantly, he won three Grand Finals in eight seasons.

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Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:53 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

Yes I agree that the club (the employer) needs to set the goals for the coach (the employee). My question is that it's important to try and get the right fit hence the Jose analogy as winning with style wasn't his thing and if you don't then there's likely to be disappointment.

The 'Holy Grail' "win and entertain" might be in Wane's locker (did Wigan have different goals) but if it isn't should we be surprised and rightly disappointed if we ended up being a version of 'his' Wigan? Ultimately as only one of those attributes is empirical then the likelihood is that sooner or later, depending upon the hierarchy of those goals either the club, Wane or the supporters will get fed up. Wane "I won" Club "but were boring" OR Club "you lost" Wane "but I entertained".

From my perspective, I'd like to be fed up of winning GF's first and foremost and look forward to seeing the other good things that he seemed to engender in his teams like the importance of the academy and production line, a structured team ethic with a do or die run through a brick wall mentality.

Finally were Wigan really that boring?

Well I suppose all supporters needs would sit on a line with winning at one end and entertaining at the other. Everybody will think differently. Neutrals of course will not, they will wan't to see entertaining rugby, tightly contested, with a result only known on the 90 min hooter. I think I read an article in the Guardian a few weeks ago about Eddie Jones the Eng. RU coach visiting us to see how their game could be made more entertaining by increasing the number of tries. Despite the big crowds their games bring in for internationals, they are still painfully aware that it needs to be a spectacle and entertaining. So I hope / expect that in any job interview the need to develop entertaining rugby appears pretty high up.

I think if Wane does get the job we have a pretty good chance of success, and I suspect most people on here will feel more bullish than that . But of course as well as 'entertaining but lost', 'boring but won' there is also a third option of ' boring and lost'. But as Oz coaches are probably out at the moment (Covid and cost) that doesn't leave us with many viable options. I think Powell would put us consistently in the top 2-3 simply because he ensures the basic commitment and rugby are professionally delivered. I am not convinced he would win us the GF though. Wane could certainly win it, but it needs to be good to watch for my money.

Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:22 pm  

I wouldnt say Wigan were boring, but I didnt like the wrestle and niggling that they did. I used to wind me up something proper when you saw Sam Tomkins trapping a defenders arm and then rolling over and gaining a penalty. I hated those sort of tactics that were employed, however being a hypocrite would i mind as much if it was us and we won the GF? I dont know.

Wigan always had that play where they swept it from one side to the other under Wane which was very successful and always seemed to score. IMO we were the better team when played them back in the GF however he always had a way of lifting them. We were the nice boys of the league (apart from Benny).

Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:11 pm  

Perhaps the contrast between boring & entertaining can be highlighted by what is likely to bring spectators to RL in general. I am definitely in the entertainment camp & any silverware is a bonus. I've mentioned before on here that the biggest help to winning the play offs is being able to "play the ref". That has helped to beat us in at least 2 GFs. Perhaps to win the big one we need a coach who can teach his team to "play the ref ".

Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:43 pm  

Winslade's Offload wrote:

Well I suppose all supporters needs would sit on a line with winning at one end and entertaining at the other. Everybody will think differently. Neutrals of course will not, they will wan't to see entertaining rugby, tightly contested, with a result only known on the 90 min hooter. I think I read an article in the Guardian a few weeks ago about Eddie Jones the Eng. RU coach visiting us to see how their game could be made more entertaining by increasing the number of tries. Despite the big crowds their games bring in for internationals, they are still painfully aware that it needs to be a spectacle and entertaining. So I hope / expect that in any job interview the need to develop entertaining rugby appears pretty high up.

I have been scratching my head wondering why England had been absolutely abysmal this 6 nations.

Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:59 pm  

No-one else seems bothered that Wane has never taken a club on from scratch before - he'd been at Wigan for years before graduating to head coach, and as such knew many of the squad & academy players already. There's no guarantee he'll be able to replicate that in the short time he'll be given (by many Wires fans) to deliver the SL GF win.

Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:06 pm  

I'm also of the opinion that SW (or whoever replaces SP) will be brought in with the ultimate aim of winning a GF. Nothing changes in that respect. I guess we'd mostly want to see that achieved, regardless of the style that it's done in. But once that box has been ticked off, we'd be back to wanting a more entertaining and expansive game. Hopefully, the next custodian of the head coaches chair will have a team that maybe meets us half way, as I think that's the most likely outcome we'd get that fits the "have your cake and eat" it scenario.

Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:09 pm  

shinymcshine wrote:

No-one else seems bothered that Wane has never taken a club on from scratch before - he'd been at Wigan for years before graduating to head coach, and as such knew many of the squad & academy players already. There's no guarantee he'll be able to replicate that in the short time he'll be given (by many Wires fans) to deliver the SL GF win.

This is a very good point. Wane is Wigan born and bred, will he able to translate his ethos to another club and make it work.

Re: Steve Price rumors : Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:20 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

Finally were Wigan really that boring?

Yes

What he did engrain even further within the club was 'win at all costs'.