: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:28 am  

My summary of Vinnie is:

-contrary to popular opinion, Vinnie is NOT lazy. If the stats prove anything, they prove he is consistently hard working, week in week out;
-he does seem to be having "quieter" games recently though, in that he's not making big breaks or scoring decent tries;
-as well as all his good work, such as tackling and offloads, he is prone to glaring errors, such as running into touch and a bad missed tackle that lead to a try, both on Sunday.

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: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:21 pm  

SEB wrote:

My summary of Vinnie is:

-contrary to popular opinion, Vinnie is NOT lazy. If the stats prove anything, they prove he is consistently hard working, week in week out;
-he does seem to be having "quieter" games recently though, in that he's not making big breaks or scoring decent tries;
-as well as all his good work, such as tackling and offloads, he is prone to glaring errors, such as running into touch and a bad missed tackle that lead to a try, both on Sunday.

Seems like a level headed and well thought out summary. I agree with what SEB says

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:26 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

Havent we had this missed tackle thing before....if you get rounded and stood up like an uninterested fool and you stick an arm out that is some distance away from the attacker, that doesnt count as a missed tackle.

to make a missed tackle you have to at least get some contact....

Indeed. When I have been doing stats you will find that some players will make 30+ tackles in a game and will inevitably miss one or two. However you wil get a lazy git who makes one and misses none so gets a great 100% completion record.

Only a committed player will then surely miss tackles?

PS Vinnie Anderson; he is working but expectations of his ability are higher amongst the supporters.

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:17 pm  

Stats can be tailored to fit anything really, a player who makes 30 tackles but is in 2nd or 3rd man can look better than a player who makes 10 but they are all one on one to stop line breaks or stop trys.

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21 pm  

Geordie wrote:

Stats can be tailored to fit anything really, a player who makes 30 tackles but is in 2nd or 3rd man can look better than a player who makes 10 but they are all one on one to stop line breaks or stop trys.

Do you know how they record them at SL level? I always tend to give a count if the player has actually made an effective contribution to the tackle.

: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:45 pm  

Geordie wrote:

Stats can be tailored to fit anything really, a player who makes 30 tackles but is in 2nd or 3rd man can look better than a player who makes 10 but they are all one on one to stop line breaks or stop trys.

Well yes, but in reality very few in any players actually play like that.