: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:34 pm  

just_browny wrote:

You might not be able to believe what you read, but it might help if you did actually bother to read the comments.

I am happy with Morley's place in the team, although I do have the odd problem with his game. It's his captaincy that I take issue with: I just think there are very few props who make good captains (in the on-field management role) and I think that's one aspect we really lack.

Also, it is difficult to captain a side if you on the bench.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:50 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Also, it is difficult to captain a side if you on the bench.

Quite.

I seem to remember hearing one of the people who went to the SqB meeting (it might have been you GDMM) saying that Riley was increasingly taking the lead in bossing the defence about. That's something I'd like to see more of, and you could see he was trying to do just that today, but we were still ending up with a pretty lopsided defensive line whenever CC made a break.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:13 pm  

just_browny wrote:

Quite.

I seem to remember hearing one of the people who went to the SqB meeting (it might have been you GDMM) saying that Riley was increasingly taking the lead in bossing the defence about. That's something I'd like to see more of, and you could see he was trying to do just that today, but we were still ending up with a pretty lopsided defensive line whenever CC made a break.

I thought Riley was excelent against HKR but was not impressed today.

3 mistakes turned that game today Riley 2 L Anderson 1

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:17 pm  

just_browny wrote:

Quite.

I seem to remember hearing one of the people who went to the SqB meeting (it might have been you GDMM) saying that Riley was increasingly taking the lead in bossing the defence about. That's something I'd like to see more of, and you could see he was trying to do just that today, but we were still ending up with a pretty lopsided defensive line whenever CC made a break.

By his own admission (at the SB meeting), he needs to be more vocal. It is something the coaching team are working on. I don't think it is fair to expect to drop into a position and have all the facets immediately.

It's a moot point anyway, as Mathers will be here imminently.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:23 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

By his own admission (at the SB meeting), he needs to be more vocal. It is something the coaching team are working on. I don't think it is fair to expect to drop into a position and have all the facets immediately.

It's a moot point anyway, as Mathers will be here imminently.

I wouldn't expect him to have all the facets, which is why I'd be looking towards someone like Higham/Clarke/Gleeson/Monaghan/Briers to be doing their bit as well.

Don't send me to sleep on a Sunday night contemplating Mathers. Nightmare-tastic.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:30 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Also, it is difficult to captain a side if you on the bench.

Plenty of good captains around the world play in the pack and have extended spells on the bench, Ruben Wiki did it for years for both club and country. Steve Price is another that managed it well at the Bulldogs where he took over from Darren Britt (Also another forward that was captain) and now he does the same at the Warriors, i`m sure Tallis captained Australia and Queensland.

Morley is a player that only knows one way to play and thats by giving 100% in each game, that doesn`t make him a natural captain though and to me he isn`t vocal enough to be a leader. Take Gorden Tallis and Andy Farrell as examples, both those had the skill of being able to communicate with stern words and both were very vocal and came across as natural and very respected leaders.

To me Mozza doesn`t come across as a natural leader as he seems a bit reserved when it comes to a vocal dressing down when the situation calls, the likes of Lee Briers wouldn`t come across the type of person you would respect getting a verbal dressing down from, a captain to me is a skilled role and i don`t think we have a natural in our club like Leeds have in Sinfield and Saints have in Cunningham just to use 2 examples from over here as leaders that drive their teams.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:35 pm  

Fair points. The obvious candidates are Monaghan or Clarke. Both like to talk, which is a good start.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:53 pm  

getdownmonkeyman wrote:

Fair points. The obvious candidates are Monaghan or Clarke. Both like to talk, which is a good start.

We need a modern day Mike Gregory, someone who is respected in the game and isn`t affraid to bark out the orders where most importantly the players take note and listen, to be honest i don`t think many would take Monaghan serious as a captain after all the facial blaming he has done in the past, you know the look i mean where he stares at someone who has made a mistake as if to say your cr@p you are and i`m too good for all this.

If i remember right, isn`t Petrol Seventycentsalitre the new Penrith captain ? Thats just another possible example of a forward thats a captain at the top level.

To be honest i think we need to bring in a captain as its such a key role, a high class player thats respected where if he speaks the only thing you could do is to stand up and take notice.