Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:45 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

Saints ground should be finished by no later than the end of October 2011.
Work at Saints has been ongoing now since the end of August.

Strange that , I drove past 3 weeks ago , and apart from the road works nothing was happening , if they want it finished by this time next year they are pushing things , from what I have been told they wont actually play there until 2013

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:55 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Strange that , I drove past 3 weeks ago , and apart from the road works nothing was happening , if they want it finished by this time next year they are pushing things , from what I have been told they wont actually play there until 2013

Quite a lot has been happening on site as the photos from Gruntfuttock and myself show.
Though of course nothing in the past week due to it being christmas

That website by the way is the construction companies website, its nothing to do with Saints.
In daytime once the snow has cleared you can see the base for the pitch laid out on the webcam.

Building the physical stadium is pretty much the straight forward part. That is due to start at the end of January when foundations are laid.
As things stand they have levelled the land, clearing all the toxic materials away. Filled in the mine workings and diverted gas mains and other utilities. This all after they demolished the former glass works.

Putting up the stadium and Tescos itself should not take that long.
Warringtons entire stadium project took just 8 months from clearing the land to finishing the stadium.
Saints stadium is contracted for 14 months starting August 2010. Therefore if they dont finish by the end of next October then the builders will be out of pocket as penalty clauses will kick in.

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:55 am  

DemonUK wrote:

So I reckon I'll still have my sig until at least the middle of 2012, and I should then be removing it as Saints ground should be ready. I'm fairly confident the Salford Fairy Tale Stadium will not be ready before Saints ground

Despite it seemingly being ahead?

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:38 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

Quite a lot has been happening on site as the photos from Gruntfuttock and myself show.
Though of course nothing in the past week due to it being christmas

That website by the way is the construction companies website, its nothing to do with Saints.
In daytime once the snow has cleared you can see the base for the pitch laid out on the webcam.

Building the physical stadium is pretty much the straight forward part. That is due to start at the end of January when foundations are laid. As things stand they have levelled the land, clearing all the toxic materials away. Filled in the mine workings and diverted gas mains and other utilities. This all after they demolished the former glass works.

Putting up the stadium and Tescos itself should not take that long.
Warringtons entire stadium project took just 8 months from clearing the land to finishing the stadium.
Saints stadium is contracted for 14 months starting August 2010. Therefore if they dont finish by the end of next October then the builders will be out of pocket as penalty clauses will kick in.

That gives 3 to 4 weeks to complete all of the piling, complete all of the pile caps, install all underground drainage and service ducts then pour the foundations. Your correct installing precast concrete to form the stadium structure is the easy bit and will move quite quickly but there is a lot of work to do before that starts and it won't happen at the end of January.

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:07 pm  

bongs tony wrote:

That gives 3 to 4 weeks to complete all of the piling, complete all of the pile caps, install all underground drainage and service ducts then pour the foundations. Your correct installing precast concrete to form the stadium structure is the easy bit and will move quite quickly but there is a lot of work to do before that starts and it won't happen at the end of January.

Sorry bit of a misunderstanding due to the way ive worded things by using the word "foundations", to try to make things understandable to as many people as possible.

Tecnnically its the piling that is due to start at the end of January.

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:04 pm  

Red Preacher wrote:

An atmosphere? Something distinctly lacking in contemporary, corporate and clinical stadia.

so how do we go about building a stadium with built-in 'atmosphere' ? atmosphere is surely what WE make it ?

try the Gilbert Brutus when the french fans let loose - that's atmosphere ! in their case it's passion (usually intimidating passion) talking - maybe you are confusing 'atmosphere' with 'passion' ?

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:25 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

so how do we go about building a stadium with built-in 'atmosphere' ? atmosphere is surely what WE make it ?

try the Gilbert Brutus when the french fans let loose - that's atmosphere ! in their case it's passion (usually intimidating passion) talking - maybe you are confusing 'atmosphere' with 'passion' ?

Before we get into some daft interpretation of language debate, please answer my question as to why the four teams I stated earlier, appear to have less of an atmosphere at their new stadiums as opposed to their old stadiums? If you don't know, just say so and stop deflecting the question.

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:29 pm  

Red Preacher wrote:

Before we get into some daft interpretation of language debate, please answer my question as to why the four teams I stated earlier, appear to have less of an atmosphere at their new stadiums as opposed to their old stadiums? If you don't know, just say so and stop deflecting the question.

stadium design, these all have high stand roofs which allow the noise to drift away upwards, a typical example is OT, the visiting fans have a low roof which means that their noise can be heard, the higher the roof at the lower the noise that gets conscentrated towards the pitch.

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:42 pm  

Red Preacher wrote:

Before we get into some daft interpretation of language debate, please answer my question as to why the four teams I stated earlier, appear to have less of an atmosphere at their new stadiums as opposed to their old stadiums? If you don't know, just say so and stop deflecting the question.

I haven't the foggiest why the atmosphere is different at these new stadia - you tell me ? I haven't been to any of the grounds you quoted since the 80s so I have no idea how they are nowadays but I'll take your word for it if say there is a big difference.
All i'm saying is that a new stadium doesn't have to mean there is no atmosphere - I repeat Stade Toulousain on a RU matchday is buzzing - Gilbert Brutus has an atmosphere because the fans make it happen
So,I ask you again,what do we do to change the atmosphere at the new grounds ? Isn't the whole idea to improve conditions for players & fans alike ?
BTW,i've been to Knowsley Road in the good old days of decrepit stands and smelly bogs etc when the Saints have had an off day and the lack of atmosphere has been like a graveyard
I think you have romantic ideas of the good old days - face the fact that the game is changing so you either change with it or wallow in the past,smelly bogs 'n all & inadequate facilities and all that

Re: New Stadium Site Update Thread!!! : Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:42 pm  

Bigpev wrote:

a typical example is OT, the visiting fans have a low roof which means that their noise can be heard, .

also aided by the lack of prawn sandwich in their mouth

lots of reasons why new stadiums have less atmosphere. high roof, fans more dispersed in seats and not congregated, etc. - but its also about attarcting new people and they might not be so vocal.