Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:28 pm  

TheButcher wrote:

I give in.

It's not worth the effort in repeating myself or making cognitive points as you seem to be incapable of rational thought. It's like debating a wet turd, except that the turd has a better understanding of why a Club would sell an unsettled player to a Club who haven't brought their own HB through since, well, what seems like forever.

Let me be the first to concede. I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.

No, what you mean is you're unable to debate on a fundamental level, instead preferring to try and input an ever increasing amount of variables to try and side step the initial point.

My point, like you, is simple - I don't think £100k for Sneyd represents good value for Salford. My reasons are that A) Whilst the fee would be seen as great business for a cash strapped club, for MK it makes no difference to what he needs in terms of investment (which hopefully will focus on youth going forward as his strategy of marquee signings putting bums on seats has failed this year) and was probably more to do with principle; and B) Sneyd is the form SH in Super League who MK made quite clear he wanted at the club next year.

Now, i'm willing to agree to disagree, but don't try to patronise and belittle, it does you no favours.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:59 pm  

*1865* wrote:

No, what you mean is you're unable to debate on a fundamental level, instead preferring to try and input an ever increasing amount of variables to try and side step the initial point.

My point, like you, is simple - I don't think £100k for Sneyd represents good value for Salford. My reasons are that A) Whilst the fee would be seen as great business for a cash strapped club, for MK it makes no difference to what he needs in terms of investment (which hopefully will focus on youth going forward as his strategy of marquee signings putting bums on seats has failed this year) and was probably more to do with principle; and B) Sneyd is the form SH in Super League who MK made quite clear he wanted at the club next year.

Now, i'm willing to agree to disagree, but don't try to patronise and belittle, it does you no favours.

No. What I mean is what I mean.

I choose not to debate with an idiot. There's a difference. You are unwilling or unable to see my points, and your points make no sense if you understand what I've been saying. Therefore it's pointless carrying on.

I'm sure you'll want the last say on the topic, most sociopaths do, so I'll concede that to you. Fill your boots.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:04 pm  

*1865* wrote:

Given the respective league positions of you and Cas, and the one major change in personnel between the two clubs, I wouldn't be bigging Chase up at all!

Not sure who that was aimed at, but the people suggesting Chase and Dobson are a more potent half-back partnership than Sneyd and Pryce are fans of Warrington and Huddersfield. Maybe you should take it up with them, but I wouldn't suggest using your 'relative positions' argument.

*1865* wrote:

No, what you mean is you're unable to debate on a fundamental level, instead preferring to try and input an ever increasing amount of variables to try and side step the initial point.

My point, like you, is simple - I don't think £100k for Sneyd represents good value for Salford. My reasons are that A) Whilst the fee would be seen as great business for a cash strapped club, for MK it makes no difference to what he needs in terms of investment (which hopefully will focus on youth going forward as his strategy of marquee signings putting bums on seats has failed this year) and was probably more to do with principle; and B) Sneyd is the form SH in Super League who MK made quite clear he wanted at the club next year.

Now, i'm willing to agree to disagree, but don't try to patronise and belittle, it does you no favours.

Marwan wants the club to be self-sustaining. He's said so more than once. Selling a player who is unlikely to feature much in the first team next year for a 6 figure sum sounds self-sustaining to me. Leaving him to fester on the sidelines, on the other hand, sounds like a poor return on the club's investment.

As part of the 'self-sustaining' aim, Marwan wants the club to produce more of its own players. The first step is to make the club a more attractive proposition, hence the marquee signings. The 'failure' of this season (a failure which has seen attendances increase by somewhere in the region of 50% over last season) was more down to errors by a previous coach. He also said from day one that 2015 would be a bigger year for the club.

With regards him wanting Marc at the club next year, he could, if he so wished, have asked Marc to honour his contract. He didn't. So, whether he really meant he wanted him at the club next season or whether it was a way of ensuring anyone who signed him would have to pay a substantial sum is open to debate. Hull have paid a substantial sum, so I'm siding with the second of those possibilities. I'm sure you disagree.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:23 pm  

TheButcher wrote:

No. What I mean is what I mean.

I choose not to debate with an idiot. There's a difference. You are unwilling or unable to see my points, and your points make no sense if you understand what I've been saying. Therefore it's pointless carrying on.

I'm sure you'll want the last say on the topic, most sociopaths do, so I'll concede that to you. Fill your boots.

I'd hate to disappoint.

So because I don't agree with your points, and you don't agree with mine, I'm an idiot? Bless.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:36 pm  

*1865* wrote:

No, what you mean is you're unable to debate on a fundamental level, instead preferring to try and input an ever increasing amount of variables to try and side step the initial point.

My point, like you, is simple - I don't think £100k for Sneyd represents good value for Salford. My reasons are that A) Whilst the fee would be seen as great business for a cash strapped club, for MK it makes no difference to what he needs in terms of investment (which hopefully will focus on youth going forward as his strategy of marquee signings putting bums on seats has failed this year) and was probably more to do with principle; and B) Sneyd is the form SH in Super League who MK made quite clear he wanted at the club next year.

Now, i'm willing to agree to disagree, but don't try to patronise and belittle, it does you no favours.

I hope you're not involved in running a business in any way...

As mentioned numerous times, Sneyd has 12 months on his contract and wanted out. He may well be 'the form SH in Super League' - regardless, he wouldn't have been first choice on his return to the club and would have had limited game time for one year before inevitably moving on for nothing at the end of the year. We'd be paying the salary of an unhappy bench player/backup when that money could be better spent elsewhere.

Koukash may well have said that he wanted to keep him (in an ideal world we would, but you're limited in terms of what you can do with a squad) but this was more to do with playing hardball. He rightly doesn't want to appear as weak by letting a player/his agent dictate things to the club. It was simply his way of being the one in control of the situation.

May well turn out to be a win for both teams but I'd give us the slight edge at the moment in terms of who has the better end of the deal based on the fact that we don't know whether Sneyd can show this level of performance consistently or whether he's simply looked good in a team that's got success from the sum of its parts rather than outstanding individuals.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:47 pm  

Adamjk wrote:

I hope you're not involved in running a business in any way...

As mentioned numerous times, Sneyd has 12 months on his contract and wanted out. He may well be 'the form SH in Super League' - regardless, he wouldn't have been first choice on his return to the club

So you'd pick name over form then? I hope you're not involved in running a sports team in any way...

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:15 pm  

*1865* wrote:

So you'd pick name over form then? I hope you're not involved in running a sports team in any way...

Good to see you addressing my points sensibly, as you seem to have done with other people throughout this thread.

He's put in some very good performances in a well drilled side for about half a season. He's also gone missing in a few games. I'd take who we've got next season over him any day and it's not even close.. Not that I wouldn't like us to have kept him.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:29 pm  

Who care ? You wanted to sell, we wanted to buy ....... Good business all round

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:34 pm  

I like how the people saying England scrum half clearly didn't notice him in the world cup.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:44 pm  

Chester J Lampwick wrote:

I like how the people saying England scrum half clearly didn't notice him in the world cup.

Yeah because we all know how rigid the rules are when it comes to international RL representation.