Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:24 pm  

When considering the £120,000 transfer fee I think you have to take into account that Hull were bidding against others and this obviously pushed up the value. Personally I think the club have done OK to get this considering Sneyd only had 12 months left on his contract.

If we got this much for Marc it makes you wonder what Evalds and Theo could be worth at 23. It may be wise to put this money aside for extended new contracts for our best youngsters.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:38 pm  

*1865* wrote:

Or we could have paid it for England's future scrum half for years to come.

I see somebody's already pointed out the flaw in your Matty Smith argument.

No flaw to it, he was a scrum half with little time left on his contract and was sold. Granted we werent in as comfortable financial position as we are now, but it's a reasonable comparison.

Tim Smith an ex NRL, Wigan and in-form Wakefield scrum half cost us £75k last season too. That situation alone shows you the risk associated with big value signings.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:26 pm  

TheButcher wrote:

Your logic doesn't make sense.

Regardless of how wealthy a Club is, receiving a substantial fee for anyone is good business and not at all deluded. Are you trying to say that because Salford have disposable dosh it would only be a good deal if it was for a great deal more? Do I really need to identify the flaw in that argument too?

Right, to make it even more simpler for you, do you think MK would rather have £100k in his already bulging pockets or the form SH in his team next year?

TheButcher wrote:

If you look around at most SL Clubs you'll find that there's plenty of turnover in their youth. You can't keep all of them after all, just the decent ones. Just look at Wigan, Saints, and Leeds. Teams that have been happy to offload youngsters by the bucketful. If Salford do the same it's somehow a negative though eh?

This part's laughable, the juniors Wigan/Leeds/Saints get rid of are their second string youngsters as the best 7 or 8 are in their first team.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:57 pm  

I think something else that people forget is that we also have Evalds and Mullaney on the books who have both played HB and in Mullaneys case he did rather well when he did starts in the halves until he got injured.

Has the generator run out of red in Castleford as they seem to have disappeared today, maybe they are out building an effigy of the Doc to burn.

Very good bit of business for Salford and potentially good bit of business for Hull,

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:05 pm  

*1865* wrote:

Right, to make it even more simpler for you, do you think MK would rather have £100k in his already bulging pockets or the form SH in his team next year?

This part's laughable, the juniors Wigan/Leeds/Saints get rid of are their second string youngsters as the best 7 or 8 are in their first team.

I give in.

It's not worth the effort in repeating myself or making cognitive points as you seem to be incapable of rational thought. It's like debating a wet turd, except that the turd has a better understanding of why a Club would sell an unsettled player to a Club who haven't brought their own HB through since, well, what seems like forever.

Let me be the first to concede. I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:12 pm  

TheButcher wrote:

Your logic doesn't make sense.

Regardless of how wealthy a Club is, receiving a substantial fee for anyone is good business and not at all deluded. Are you trying to say that because Salford have disposable dosh it would only be a good deal if it was for a great deal more? Do I really need to identify the flaw in that argument too?

*1865* wrote:

Right, to make it even more simpler for you, do you think MK would rather have £100k in his already bulging pockets or the form SH in his team next year?

This part's laughable, the juniors Wigan/Leeds/Saints get rid of are their second string youngsters as the best 7 or 8 are in their first team.

one of the best Deals Wire ever did was to Trouser £100 grand off Wigan For Martin Gleeson who was at the time the GB and form centre. Did we need the money? nope, but we got Richie Mathers off them at the same time and Pies laughed their tits off. A few months later Mathers was kissing the Challenge cup trophy at Wembley and Wigan weren't.... then he won another a year later.

To me I think its a good deal for Salford its 100 grand that isn't there to keep the bailiffs from the door like the myler or Ratchford money, and it's not directly Marwans own money and it can be ploughed right back into the club one way or another.

I honestly havent seen that much of Sneyd but I do Raise my eyebrows at the "future England scrum half for years to come" phrase that is being chucked about.....all I do know is (and i'm no Fan of Chase) but I'll be more worried about facing a team with Chase and Dobson as halves than Sneyd and Pryce.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:25 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

one of the best Deals Wire ever did was to Trouser £100 grand off Wigan For Martin Gleeson who was at the time the GB and form centre. Did we need the money? nope, but we got Richie Mathers off them at the same time and Pies laughed their tits off. A few months later Mathers was kissing the Challenge cup trophy at Wembley and Wigan weren't.... then he won another a year later.

To me I think its a good deal for Salford its 100 grand that isn't there to keep the bailiffs from the door like the myler or Ratchford money, and it's not directly Marwans own money and it can be ploughed right back into the club one way or another.

I honestly havent seen that much of Sneyd but I do Raise my eyebrows at the "future England scrum half for years to come" phrase that is being chucked about.....all I do know is (and i'm no Fan of Chase) but I'll be more worried about facing a team with Chase and Dobson as halves than Sneyd and Pryce.

chase and dobson or sneyd and pryce - haha absolutely no comparison AT ALL. If salford can sort their hooking problem (big issue i feel) and get a couple more forwards willing to work as hard as Hansen they will be putting doubts in the minds of other teams. pryce and sneyd wont worry teams at all. Sneyd has done well in a team doing well this season - but hes hardly been wowing crowds. I dont get the big fuss about sneyd tbh, hes decent enough but not stand out -Fages has always impressed me more when i've seen him play.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:30 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

one of the best Deals Wire ever did was to Trouser £100 grand off Wigan For Martin Gleeson who was at the time the GB and form centre. Did we need the money? nope, but we got Richie Mathers off them at the same time and Pies laughed their tits off. A few months later Mathers was kissing the Challenge cup trophy at Wembley and Wigan weren't.... then he won another a year later.

To me I think its a good deal for Salford its 100 grand that isn't there to keep the bailiffs from the door like the myler or Ratchford money, and it's not directly Marwans own money and it can be ploughed right back into the club one way or another.

I honestly havent seen that much of Sneyd but I do Raise my eyebrows at the "future England scrum half for years to come" phrase that is being chucked about.....all I do know is (and i'm no Fan of Chase) but I'll be more worried about facing a team with Chase and Dobson as halves than Sneyd and Pryce.

Good point about the halves.

Another point worth noting while we're making it "more simpler" for 18..whatever he's called is that Marwan wants the club to be self-sustaining rather than relying on him. Selling a player who is unlikely to feature much next season for a reported £100,000 (maybe even more) has got "self-sustaining" written all over it.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:54 pm  

jools wrote:

chase and dobson or sneyd and pryce - haha absolutely no comparison AT ALL. If salford can sort their hooking problem (big issue i feel) and get a couple more forwards willing to work as hard as Hansen they will be putting doubts in the minds of other teams. pryce and sneyd wont worry teams at all. Sneyd has done well in a team doing well this season - but hes hardly been wowing crowds. I dont get the big fuss about sneyd tbh, hes decent enough but not stand out -Fages has always impressed me more when i've seen him play.

You're right about needing a hooker. With Iestyn seemingly far more willing to play young players than Nobby ever was, I hope Gareth Owen comes back from his season long loan and straight into the first team, where I think he belongs. After that, we need an interchange hooker and two props and we'll be OK.

With regards Theo and Marc Sneyd, I think Theo is a steadier player. Marc tends to have more of an impact, but can also make more errors. He also has that incredible left boot, which is something we've really missed this season. I hope he does OK for Hull, but, if the reported transfer fee of upwards of £100,000 is true, I think Marwan has done a cracking piece of business there.

Re: Sneyd asks for a move : Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:12 pm  

Given the respective league positions of you and Cas, and the one major change in personnel between the two clubs, I wouldn't be bigging Chase up at all!