: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:11 pm  

Iain wrote:

In terms of stadium specifics, if the public transport to the site isn't vasly improved it will me a negative for getting people there and, for me, a negative in terms of enjoyment because I'll end up having to drive and not have a drink. I'm liking the proposal for a much more direct bus service between Prestwich and Eccles than the current 484.

Whilst I agree with you when it comes to watching our beloved Reds what about daily life ? this tax on the motorist (you me and most people) just trying to go about our lives is simply not acceptable.

Vote NO

: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:31 pm  

The whole congestion charge idea is flawed.

If it does its job, and clears the majority of cars from the roads during the rush hour, and everyone reverts to public transport, then how is the £3 billion (+ interest) paid back? The whole concept relies on people still using their cars to pay back the loan.

If they cant raise the revenue to repay the loan, then the only options left will be to increase the congestion chrage area, increase the charge, increase the hours of operation or stick it onto the council tax.

As stated above VOTE NO!

bus : Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:31 pm  

so the greater manchester concil is calling for more public transport, to link all areas,?????

please tell me where they were in 1983 when the goverment privatisied the public transport system and made it the mess it is today,

in Salford we had 2 bus garages one at weaste and one at fredrick rd, all serving the CITY OF SALFORD, plus the Lancashire utd garage in Switon just of the east lancs road, near Swine town town hall,

at the time i worked at fredrick road, we were told that both depots in salford , although running at a profit and meeting the local needs we were to close and everything moved to queens rd or disbury or bolton, and there started the decline in the transport system in manchester, they shud of kept it with local councils local garages local drivers local routes ,

i woundnt trust manchester city council to book my holiday, let alone run a transport system.

all talk no action and when they do its all foooked up.

: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:41 pm  

Can we try to keep any discussion, including congestion charge and public transport, on topic with relation to the stadium - I know I've been somewhat guilty myself here but I've tried to give some relvance to public transport to our stadium. If people want to start a discussion purely on congestion charging please start another OT thread.

transport : Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:32 pm  

i think what most people are trying to say on here is, that if the council are saying they will invest in transport to our new stadium, when it is up and running, that they dont believe a word of it,

when has GMC ever done any thing for SALFORD and i mean the CITY not the team, they have riped the heart out of the CITY AND THE PEOPLE who were born n brought up there, taken lots out put nothing back,

im one of the lucky ones and moved away,

BUT im still sad to see what GMC and our own so called CITY council has done to a once proud CITY.

and a congestion charge is not going to change anything apart from the pockets of GMC .

Re: transport : Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:56 pm  

red in buxton wrote:

i think what most people are trying to say on here is, that if the council are saying they will invest in transport to our new stadium, when it is up and running, that they dont believe a word of it,

when has GMC ever done any thing for SALFORD and i mean the CITY not the team, they have riped the heart out of the CITY AND THE PEOPLE who were born n brought up there, taken lots out put nothing back,

im one of the lucky ones and moved away,

BUT im still sad to see what GMC and our own so called CITY council has done to a once proud CITY.

and a congestion charge is not going to change anything apart from the pockets of GMC .

given that it ceased to exist 22 years ago that would be kind of difficult pal

: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:54 am  

All i can I will get in my area is a cycle track down the A6 to manchester, noway am I buying a bike to say yes i have benefited from TIF, and No it will not get me to the ground. Funny really because from the top of Moorside Road I would be able to see the ground but could only get there in a very round about way.

: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:24 pm  

Getting back on topic: lessons to learn from Juventus. In 1990. the ‘Old Lady’ moved into the Stadio Delle Alpi — a brand spanking new 70,000 capacity stadium built for Italia ’90. The supporters hated it. Why? Because: BBC wrote: Fans labelled the ground ‘soulless’, blaming its location, on the outskirts of the city, and poor visibility of the pitch from some parts of the ground. As a result, average crowds of 50,000 in 1991 dwindled: BBC wrote: Despite Juventus winning Italy’s Serie A title in both 2005 and 2006, attendances often failed to reach 30,000. In 2006, Juventus (and Torino) put the abandoned sign up and moved to the 27,500 seater Stadio Olimpico (not the one in Rome, obviously), a newish facility built on the site of their old ground, the Stadio Comunale. Juventus have played there ever since. But the fans still aren’t happy: BBC wrote: The Stadio Olimpico is also considered a disappointment, sporting a scaled-back capacity with which both squatters Juve and permanent residents Torino are said to be unhappy. So Juve are building their own ground — costing £90m — on the site of the Stadio Delle Alpi: a 40,000 seater, sans running track and therefore tighter to the pitch. BBC wrote: The Juventus president hailed the plans as "a source of great pride". Giovanni Cobolli Gigli said: ‘Juventus is the first club in Italy to have a stadium all its own.’ Fans at the new stadium will sit so close to the action and will be able "to hear players' voices". Lesson: If you’re building a new stadium on the outskirts of the city, make sure the fans warm to it. Otherwise, even championships won’t pack them in.

Getting back on topic: lessons to learn from Juventus. In 1990. the ‘Old Lady’ moved into the Stadio Delle Alpi — a brand spanking new 70,000 capacity stadium built for Italia ’90. The supporters hated it. Why? Because: BBC wrote: Fans labelled the ground ‘soulless’, blaming its location, on the outskirts of the city, and poor visibility of the pitch from some parts of the ground. As a result, average crowds of 50,000 in 1991 dwindled: BBC wrote: Despite Juventus winning Italy’s Serie A title in both 2005 and 2006, attendances often failed to reach 30,000. In 2006, Juventus (and Torino) put the abandoned sign up and moved to the 27,500 seater Stadio Olimpico (not the one in Rome, obviously), a newish facility built on the site of their old ground, the Stadio Comunale. Juventus have played there ever since. But the fans still aren’t happy: BBC wrote: The Stadio Olimpico is also considered a disappointment, sporting a scaled-back capacity with which both squatters Juve and permanent residents Torino are said to be unhappy. So Juve are building their own ground — costing £90m — on the site of the Stadio Delle Alpi: a 40,000 seater, sans running track and therefore tighter to the pitch. BBC wrote: The Juventus president hailed the plans as "a source of great pride". Giovanni Cobolli Gigli said: ‘Juventus is the first club in Italy to have a stadium all its own.’ Fans at the new stadium will sit so close to the action and will be able "to hear players' voices". Lesson: If you’re building a new stadium on the outskirts of the city, make sure the fans warm to it. Otherwise, even championships won’t pack them in.

: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:13 am  

Any news on the STADIUM???

: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:55 pm  

David Tarry has just been on Sky Sports News. Can’t lip read though so I don’t know what he said. He was on the site of the new stadium.