Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:41 am  

Why not?

What's the argument for not?

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:49 am  

Lack of money in the sport, funding from sport England for the England brand. Aussies don't like international matches. The rfl/sl also don't appear to like international matches.

Clubs don't want their best players playing extra games in the off-season.

Just a few to Start off

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:36 am  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Lack of money in the sport, funding from sport England for the England brand. Aussies don't like international matches. The rfl/sl also don't appear to like international matches.

That's it basically, nothing more needs adding.

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:38 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

That's it basically, nothing more needs adding.

So all those years that the Ashes tours were going ahead, there was lots of money? What happened to it?

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Fri Apr 14, 2023 5:44 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Lack of money in the sport, funding from sport England for the England brand. Aussies don't like international matches. The rfl/sl also don't appear to like international matches.

Clubs don't want their best players playing extra games in the off-season.

Just a few to Start off

The Austrailian players want international matches and they love touring. I've heard that from the players themselves.

The clubs lose their best players to injury anyway and there's still international matches that do happen where they could lose players to injury. Plus the disciplinary board chomps at the bit in anticipation to hand out bans to the top players.

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:57 pm  

giddyupoldfella wrote:

The Austrailian players want international matches and they love touring. I've heard that from the players themselves.

The players might like them, but the clubs who have invested money in the players certainly don't.

giddyupoldfella wrote:

The clubs lose their best players to injury anyway and there's still international matches that do happen where they could lose players to injury. Plus the disciplinary board chomps at the bit in anticipation to hand out bans to the top players.

The clubs don't like that either. But have all that, and then add on another half a dozen high intensity, and historically very aggressive, games which only increases the odds of these things happening but are also meaningless beyond bragging rights.

Since sports started to be operated as businesses, and players seen as assets, the clubs look at ways of minimising risks to protect their investments. Stopping meaningless tours, test matches, and exhibition games is one way of doing that.

It's disappointing from a spectators point of view, but that's professional sport.

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:58 am  

Leeds_Luke wrote:

The players might like them, but the clubs who have invested money in the players certainly don't.

The clubs don't like that either. But have all that, and then add on another half a dozen high intensity, and historically very aggressive, games which only increases the odds of these things happening but are also meaningless beyond bragging rights.

Since sports started to be operated as businesses, and players seen as assets, the clubs look at ways of minimising risks to protect their investments. Stopping meaningless tours, test matches, and exhibition games is one way of doing that.

It's disappointing from a spectators point of view, but that's professional sport.

Well that is enough for me to stop being an attending spectator. If it's disappointing for spectators, yet costing more money than when it wasn't disappointing, then you'd have to be mad or a mug to continue as a spectator.

A generation of players including Sam Bugess, Sam Tomkins, James Graham, Ryan Hall, Kallum Watkins, Tommy Makinson and John Bateman have never experienced a single victory over Australia. Mainly because they rarely get the opportunity. Andy Farrell played in five victories over Australia and he's only one generation before them. And that's why none of them can be classed in historical greatness. The only time the players get awarded in the honours list these days is for doing something off the field rather than on it.

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:44 pm  

With the emergance of the Pacific Island nations, I think we'll see a further decrease in international matches between England and the Southern hemisphere nations outside of world cups, and the Southern hemisphere nations will just have matches between themselves.

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:35 pm  

Jack Burton wrote:

With the emergance of the Pacific Island nations, I think we'll see a further decrease in international matches between England and the Southern hemisphere nations outside of world cups, and the Southern hemisphere nations will just have matches between themselves.

Think it will be the opposite myself.

Tonga, Samoa and NZ in a 4N will do nicely.

Leave the Aussies to play with themselves.

Re: Bring back the ashes Lions and Kangaroo tours. : Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:21 pm  

Jason Robinson's International career in Rugby league spanned six years. He played in 19 International matches.

Jason Robinson's International career in Rugby Union spanned six years. He played in 56 International matches.

Maybe the International game is the biggest reason why Lesgue plays second fiddle to Union?

Of course Robinson only got to play in one Ashes series, the home series in 1994. They then scrapped it. You can see why he moved to Union with those representative numbers.

The message being sent is that if you have any ambition in Rugby, then go to Union.