Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 2:25 pm  

JonnoTheGreat wrote:

I agree with the Saints fan. Leeds mounting problems should be your focus. Stick to your own club and your massive relegation 4 pointer next weekend.

Pre-season Leeds fans were giving it large about being serious trophy winning contenders this season yet are now trying to make out they didn't say it. Hilarious.

Now they are the biggest joke in the comp and please to god lets hope Leeds get relegated.

The arrogance of them still going around claiming to be the biggest club in the country when the fact is Wigan are.

dont remember any Leeds fans clainming trophies this year, most at best where thinking 6-7 place, yes we did not think we would be in this mess, but nobody was "giving it large" that's just in your head. I hope Leeds get relegated just so the whole game collapses in on itself and the game of RL is finally laid to rest, because that's all it deserves.

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 2:26 pm  

JonnoTheGreat wrote:

I agree with the Saints fan. Leeds mounting problems should be your focus. Stick to your own club and your massive relegation 4 pointer next weekend.

Can just picture it now if Leeds lose to London this Sunday with Agar’s post match interview...”So Richard where do you think you lost that game”....”Well some Leeds fan on the internet commented on St Helens at the start of the week and it had a massive effect on the squad”

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 2:30 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

8 super league titles wigan and saints next with 6 so yeah Leeds are the most successful, how do you make out otherwise.

The clue is "Most Successful Club in Superleague Era", by my count Saints on 19, Leeds on 14, Wigan on 10 I,ve excluded the World Club Challenge not that it makes any difference.

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 2:34 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

If you are a "Cherry Picker" then thats correct, do want to have another go to reflect reality.

Yes, it really is cherry picking to describe the team with the most Super League titles as the most successful of the Super League era. How stupid of me.

I'm not sure what other criteria you could employ if 'being champions more times than anyone else' is described as cherry picking.

Saint Helens are the most successful team of the Super League era, because losing grand finals is exactly the same as winning them. Is that what I'm supposed to say?

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 2:40 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

The clue is "Most Successful Club in Superleague Era", by my count Saints on 19, Leeds on 14, Wigan on 10 I,ve excluded the World Club Challenge not that it makes any difference.

You're implying that all trophies are equal. They are not.

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 2:48 pm  

Big Jim Slade wrote:

You're implying that all trophies are equal. They are not.

yep Super league titles override everything else then World club champions then Challenge cup a distant 3rd then LLs. Doubt any side at the start of the year anymore thinks, lets go all out and win the cup. The grand final is wher its at and that's all that matters.

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 3:17 pm  

Big Jim Slade wrote:

You're implying that all trophies are equal. They are not.

No implication at all, but surely trophies are attributes of success no matter what their value. I see the replies are opening up the can of cherry pickers.

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 3:25 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

yep Super league titles override everything else then World club champions then Challenge cup a distant 3rd then LLs. Doubt any side at the start of the year anymore thinks, lets go all out and win the cup. The grand final is wher its at and that's all that matters.

The Challenge Cup is a far greater and more prestigious trophy than the glorified friendly that is the WCC.

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 3:29 pm  

Big Jim Slade wrote:

Yes, it really is cherry picking to describe the team with the most Super League titles as the most successful of the Super League era. How stupid of me.

I'm not sure what other criteria you could employ if 'being champions more times than anyone else' is described as cherry picking.

Saint Helens are the most successful team of the Super League era, because losing grand finals is exactly the same as winning them. Is that what I'm supposed to say?

No, I think you should revisit your post and do some editing to remove the word ERA and perhaps replace it with the word "competition" then we can all be on the same page.

Re: This Sintellins team..... : Mon May 20, 2019 3:38 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

No, I think you should revisit your post and do some editing to remove the word ERA and perhaps replace it with the word "competition" then we can all be on the same page.

If we were talking about soccer and someone asked which club was the most successful of the Premier League era you'd look up the number of titles won and say Man Utd. You wouldn't look up FA Cups or League Cups, UEFA Cups or Champions Leagues. It's titles. It's always about titles. That's what people mean.

Whatever pedantry you want to engage in to feel better about Saints is fine, but please don't make out that you're doing anything other than reaching here.