Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:37 pm  

Mark_W wrote:

France don't play USA unless it's a friendly, in which case that stadium is a sensible choice.

Ah, that makes sense! Was just what I'd seen on the French ticketing website.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:56 pm  

I can't wait for the World Cup and I think it is shaping up already to be a fantastic tournament before a ball has even been kicked but all this William Eve bashing is slightly unfair.

His central point that SL has created a large army of fans who have little or no interest in attending Rugby League matches that aren't included in their club season ticket is valid. I find it baffling when clubs bring in less for play off/big cup games than they would for the corresponding league fixture. As frustrating as this is, on balance I'd rather have the situation now where several clubs are averaging 10k per game than the pre-1995 situation where almost no clubs did. In 1994-95 only Wigan and Leeds averaged over 10k.

It may be that 91 pages of William Eve stats on this thread and the SL attendance thread can be summed up by saying there are probably more people watching rugby league now than there was 20 years ago but the people back then as a collective, were probably more interested in rugby league as a whole, than people are today. This is of course entirely based on the mid-80s and early 90s when the sport had a fight back under Oxley and overlooks the 70s when the sport was on the bones of its 'arris.

If William wanted to continue his research he could dig up the average price of a ticket for the 1995 RLWC and adjust it for rugby league inflation and see how the prices compare to tickets for this year's tournament.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:11 pm  

JB Down Under wrote: You want to put on a bet that this World Cup will have a higher total and higher game avg than 1995? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Rugby ... _World_Cup the 89-92 World Cup had over 300k in attendance and has the highest aggregate total of all 13 events since 1954. Given the RFL's propensity for copious tissue usage when there's good news regarding anything about the game, ticket sales overtaking the 300,059 figure from 89-92 would surely prove too tempting for fat Nigel et al. As for wagering what will be the biggest, I have no doubt at all that this will be the biggest, best attended RLWC in the games history......this was never in doubt. (although the 1957 average may be a bridge too far) What is in doubt is how big an opportunity the game has missed through a number of bad choices, starting with venues, through to TV partners and the lack of a MAJOR brand in the sponsorship stable of contra deals...... Put it this way, we will all be applauding a brilliant tournament in a few weeks time, but ask yourself this. If the idiots who are destroying the domestic game through bad decision making and self serving policy reviews, then imagine how much better it could have been!

JB Down Under wrote: You want to put on a bet that this World Cup will have a higher total and higher game avg than 1995? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Rugby ... _World_Cup the 89-92 World Cup had over 300k in attendance and has the highest aggregate total of all 13 events since 1954. Given the RFL's propensity for copious tissue usage when there's good news regarding anything about the game, ticket sales overtaking the 300,059 figure from 89-92 would surely prove too tempting for fat Nigel et al. As for wagering what will be the biggest, I have no doubt at all that this will be the biggest, best attended RLWC in the games history......this was never in doubt. (although the 1957 average may be a bridge too far) What is in doubt is how big an opportunity the game has missed through a number of bad choices, starting with venues, through to TV partners and the lack of a MAJOR brand in the sponsorship stable of contra deals...... Put it this way, we will all be applauding a brilliant tournament in a few weeks time, but ask yourself this. If the idiots who are destroying the domestic game through bad decision making and self serving policy reviews, then imagine how much better it could have been!

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:21 pm  

Walshovski wrote:

His central point that SL has created a large army of fans who have little or no interest in attending Rugby League matches that aren't included in their club season ticket is valid.

SL HASN'T created the Season Ticket thing though. Season Tickets are to be found all over the sporting world, it's not the SL inspired problem that he makes out. He doesn't like them yet what would he prefer.....harking back to day when ST weren't around?

How exactly would that help clubs financially? Not having that lump sum at the beginning of the year from ST sales. Would we see then a bigger attendances in cup and playoffs game...possibly but what if your team doesn't get a single home knockout game all year or just the one against a lower division team that doesn't get the crowd flocking? Clubs would see a lower attendance overall for the season and therefore less money......how would this help the sport he claims to be a true supporter of?

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:46 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

SL HASN'T created the Season Ticket thing though. Season Tickets are to be found all over the sporting world, it's not the SL inspired problem that he makes out. He doesn't like them yet what would he prefer.....harking back to day when ST weren't around?

How exactly would that help clubs financially? Not having that lump sum at the beginning of the year from ST sales. Would we see then a bigger attendances in cup and playoffs game...possibly but what if your team doesn't get a single home knockout game all year or just the one against a lower division team that doesn't get the crowd flocking? Clubs would see a lower attendance overall for the season and therefore less money......how would this help the sport he claims to be a true supporter of?

What irks Billy is that the game went through a stage of dropping its drawers price wise to encourage sales.......there is a saying in business that unless you control your costs, then such marketing is a race to the bottom. Most SL clubs do not control their costs.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:47 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

There are sold out areas at Old Trafford that are still available via ManUtd.com. A bit misleading to suggest they are.

The seats being sold by Man Utd are in different parts of the sections marked as sold out by Ticketmaster. I expect Ticketmaster have sold out their allocation in those sections, which is why they are marked as sold out on the website, but other parts of those sections have been reserved for sale though the MUFC site. Not sure why all available tickets aren't being sold through all avenues but whatever.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:53 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

What irks Billy is that the game went through a stage of dropping its drawers price wise to encourage sales.......there is a saying in business that unless you control your costs, then such marketing is a race to the bottom. Most SL clubs do not control their costs.

He's hypocritical though. He mocks Hudds and other teams for offering cheaper tickets saying it devalues the sport yet complains on the Leeds board that ST's aren't value for money as you don't get enough games 'free' (13 for the price of 11).

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:39 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

What irks Billy

Oh we know what irks him, he drills it into us relentlessly day after day.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:42 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

He's hypocritical though. He mocks Hudds and other teams for offering cheaper tickets saying it devalues the sport yet complains on the Leeds board that ST's aren't value for money as you don't get enough games 'free' (13 for the price of 11).

He also, err, doesn't go to any games either! and among people who know him personally, is a cheapskate who scrounges for freebies, yet bemoans the cheap price of sl and international tickets.

You couldn't make it up.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:46 pm  

He did raise the question about discount codes and whether they had sold out. It seems they are running low on the discounted offers. Not sure if there was a pre-set date, or a pre-allocated amount but there does seem to be less and less of them about.

I can't say I've tried every seat at every game, but on the sample I tried tonight there were no discounts left.