Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:02 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Promotion and relegation and set minimum criteria if neccessary is the right way to move forward.

Also, if we return to franchising/ licensing, how do you allow new clubs in or, are we pulling up the drawbridge (again).

Annual promotion/relegation is a nonsense in the modern game. There simply isn't enough time or resources, in any aspiring club, to get themselves upto standard for SL.

Any new SL club, whether an expansionist club, like Toronto, or a traditional club, like Leigh or Featherstone, needs a minimum 3 years to get themselves competitive - Its why licensing, where an applying club can be fully assessed for what they will bring to the league, is essential.

Look at Toronto as an example. Last year, they were far above anyone else in the championship and, whether a false front or not, had resources to improve their squad. Yet, admittedly after a short period, they looked nailed on for relegation when lockdown came.

Clubs need time to establish themselves, otherwise we just have a small number of sides yo-yoing between divisions, which does nothing to stabilise those clubs for the long term.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Annual promotion/relegation is a nonsense in the modern game. There simply isn't enough time or resources, in any aspiring club, to get themselves upto standard for SL.

Any new SL club, whether an expansionist club, like Toronto, or a traditional club, like Leigh or Featherstone, needs a minimum 3 years to get themselves competitive - Its why licensing, where an applying club can be fully assessed for what they will bring to the league, is essential.

Look at Toronto as an example. Last year, they were far above anyone else in the championship and, whether a false front or not, had resources to improve their squad. Yet, admittedly after a short period, they looked nailed on for relegation when lockdown came.

Clubs need time to establish themselves, otherwise we just have a small number of sides yo-yoing between divisions, which does nothing to stabilise those clubs for the long term.

Amazing how most other pro sports manage it...?

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:11 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Amazing how most other pro sports manage it...?

Do you mean like county cricket, NFL, the NRL, etc?

How many fully professional clubs do we have by the way, all playing off the same resource base?

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:22 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

Do you mean like county cricket, NFL, the NRL, etc?

How many fully professional clubs do we have by the way, all playing off the same resource base?

County Cri ket does, the NRL and NFL oprate id a different market, you are just picking a fight, waste of time even continuing this 'conversation'...

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:26 pm  

IR80 wrote:

8) County Cri ket does, the NRL and NFL oprate id a different market, you are just picking a fight, waste of time even continuing this 'conversation'...

County cricket's most watched and most money-spinning competition is played on a licensed system. No relegation or promotion.

And I'm not picking a fight. Just pointing out the obvious.

Oh, and you never answered my question.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:48 pm  

Whoever takes the 12th spot,should be given a season's grace to establish,and then that should be the system thereafter.. The team who finishes in 11th will be relegated if the promoted team finishes bottom in their first season.

P.S. Maybe i should have posted this on the future of the game thread.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:54 pm  

CM Punk wrote:

Absolute worst case scenario of new owners for the stadium wanting to increase rent & kicking the team out, similar to Coventry City at the Ricoh.

That would be p!ss funny after the amount of slaver we get off some Wigan fans on here

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:01 pm  

Cokey wrote:

Whoever takes the 12th spot,should be given a season's grace to establish,and then that should be the system thereafter.. The team who finishes in 11th will be relegated if the promoted team finishes bottom in their first season.

P.S. Maybe i should have posted this on the future of the game thread.

I like the idea but disagree with one aspect. What if the newly promoted club is bottom, way off the chase, and the club in 11th has been very competitive perhaps just a few points adrift from 6th or 7th ? Why relegate a relatively successful team that’s adding value to SL.? I would give 3 years grace with any promoted club that finishes bottom within their 3 years staying up, no team relegated. Promote the top team from the Championship and grow Super League.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:27 pm  

Kevs Head wrote:

I like the idea but disagree with one aspect. What if the newly promoted club is bottom, way off the chase, and the club in 11th has been very competitive perhaps just a few points adrift from 6th or 7th ? Why relegate a relatively successful team that’s adding value to SL.? I would give 3 years grace with any promoted club that finishes bottom within their 3 years staying up, no team relegated. Promote the top team from the Championship and grow Super League.

That's the idea, if you finish bottom you have one more season to get your act together. As for the club who finishes 11th and being competitive, well that's what the fans want to see (competitive games). It would certainly give an incentive to play well and try not to finish in 11th place and that would also avoid meaningless games.

Re: Twelfth SL club for 2021 : Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:32 pm  

The point with al the promotion/relegation v licensing/franchising is that whichever system is put in place, there will be plenty of clubs that are unhappy.
After all, this is precisely why P & R was reintroduced.
Of course the system isn't perfect and of course it destabilases the clubs who are battling for promotion or, battling to avoid the drop.
However, a closed shop in our sport wasn't right either.
It didn't work last time, apart from protecting those clubs who may usually be under the threat of relegation and it wont work in future, for exactly the same reasons.
Taking Donny's side of the argument (for a change), why on earth should aspiring clubs, Newcastle, York, Widnes, Leigh be prevented from ever getting their chance in the top flight and if we are ever to expand the game further, either in the UK or overseas, what happens then.
IF there are so many "worthy" clubs vying for a spot in SL then, why on earth not increase the number of clubs in SL - certainly going from 12 to 14 seems eminently sensible and would allow us to get rid of the ridiculous loop fixtures.

By doing this and keeping 1 up, 1 down, there is a greater chance of any promoted club surviving the dreaded first season. Yes, there will still be issues for any relegated club but, isnt this what sport in the UK is all about.
A battle for supremacy at the top and some jeopardy at the bottom.