Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:14 pm  

My guess is that attendances over the season as a whole will be down if only because of the strain that people are feeling in their wallets at present.
Whilst many will still want to see their team and will have budgeted the season ticket in, the away games are the first they'll cut down on.
Or maybe that's just me.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:44 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

My guess is that attendances over the season as a whole will be down if only because of the strain that people are feeling in their wallets at present.
Whilst many will still want to see their team and will have budgeted the season ticket in, the away games are the first they'll cut down on.
Or maybe that's just me.

To figure out the level of impact this has you can just look at london or catalans away games. they never bring away fans, so any fall is all down to the home side. The fall in attendances at some clubs are far larger than the amount of away fans that some clubs bring!

: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:18 pm  

You can see it in the stadia. Why not pop along to a game and look at the empty seats?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:29 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

BTW, The RLWC has already sold 40k tickets for the final. Nearly 200 days before the tournament starts. The last World Cup, in Australia had an attendance of 50’599 in 2000 44'329. Considering your rabid interest in attendance statistics its telling you haven’t chosen to start a thread praising the outstanding achievement there.

The acievement wont be filling Old Trafford.....it will be filling wembley and the millenium together with all the other stadiums......RLWC 2013's last announcement on crowds pointed to about 15% of the available 500k tickets being sold...so 40k to the final and 35k spreadover potentially 425,000 available seats.
25k at Hull, 25k at Hudds and potentially 25k at Wigan (QF) will be where tha majority of these 35k have been sold........

...of course, since the RFL extended the deadline on cheap tickets there is no actual proof or announcements as to the real state of play with tickets....we can only assume.

SL attendanceson the other hand are factual ( to within 2% either way) and are down...

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:38 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

The acievement wont be filling Old Trafford.....it will be filling wembley and the millenium together with all the other stadiums......RLWC 2013's last announcement on crowds pointed to about 15% of the available 500k tickets being sold...so 40k to the final and 35k spreadover potentially 425,000 available seats.
25k at Hull, 25k at Hudds and potentially 25k at Wigan (QF) will be where tha majority of these 35k have been sold........

...of course, since the RFL extended the deadline on cheap tickets there is no actual proof or announcements as to the real state of play with tickets....we can only assume.

SL attendanceson the other hand are factual ( to within 2% either way) and are down...

I'd like more detail on the ticket sales - they may well be good so far and despite the inevitable nonsense reply to come from Smokey, questioning whether I actually like RL, good ticket sales for the RLWC is A Good Thing.

The reason I'd like to see more detail is that if it's true, not only is it a good thing, it would be really useful to know what they're doing that's working so well. But that doesn't work unless the data is definitely solid.

For example, this may not be the case at all, but one question is whether they're counting sales to other distributors such as coach travel firms, etc.? (This is just shifting the ticket to another vendor, it's not a guaranteed bum-on-seat.) I genuinely don't know - are they?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:42 pm  

By the way...why, why, why would you put the CEO of the RFL as the first image you see: http://www.rlwc2013.com/world_cup ??? Surely they could find some other image ??? WTF ???

By the way...why, why, why would you put the CEO of the RFL as the first image you see: http://www.rlwc2013.com/world_cup ??? Surely they could find some other image ??? WTF ???

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:58 pm  

jimlav wrote:

To figure out the level of impact this has you can just look at london or catalans away games. they never bring away fans, so any fall is all down to the home side. The fall in attendances at some clubs are far larger than the amount of away fans that some clubs bring!

Leeds
2009
v Catalans - 13,425
v Harlequins - 13,912

2010
v Catalans - 15,154
v Harlequins - 12,684

2011
v Catalans - 13,273
v Harlequins - 14,350

2012
v Catalans - 13,282
v London - 13,109

2013
Not played Catalans yet
v London - 12,855

Make of that what you will. A fall, but not by much, but then you would expect Leeds' crowds to hold up better than some other clubs.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:03 pm  

RLBandit wrote: but one question is whether they're counting sales to other distributors such as coach travel firms, etc.? (This is just shifting the ticket to another vendor, it's not a guaranteed bum-on-seat.) http://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/916/rlwc2013-ticket-sales-benefit-from“We are clearly already attracting new fans to the game: 60% of ticket-buyers buyers for the tournament and 70% of our Wembley customers have never bought tickets for a major Rugby League match before Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the majority of these tickets have not been sold to corporates and travel firms......35,000 final tickets may well be all true RL fans, but the claim that 70% of Wembley buyers are new points to either competition prizes or travel firms. We've heard this noise before from the RFL regarding the 44k at Wembley a few years back....something along the lines of 50% London based purchases.

RLBandit wrote: but one question is whether they're counting sales to other distributors such as coach travel firms, etc.? (This is just shifting the ticket to another vendor, it's not a guaranteed bum-on-seat.) http://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/916/rlwc2013-ticket-sales-benefit-from“We are clearly already attracting new fans to the game: 60% of ticket-buyers buyers for the tournament and 70% of our Wembley customers have never bought tickets for a major Rugby League match before Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the majority of these tickets have not been sold to corporates and travel firms......35,000 final tickets may well be all true RL fans, but the claim that 70% of Wembley buyers are new points to either competition prizes or travel firms. We've heard this noise before from the RFL regarding the 44k at Wembley a few years back....something along the lines of 50% London based purchases.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:00 pm  

gutterfax wrote: http://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/916/rlwc2013-ticket-sales-benefit-from“We are Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the majority of these tickets have not been sold to corporates and travel firms......35,000 final tickets may well be all true RL fans, but the claim that 70% of Wembley buyers are new points to either competition prizes or travel firms. We've heard this noise before from the RFL regarding the 44k at Wembley a few years back....something along the lines of 50% London based purchases. I don't have a problem if there are significant numbers of corporate buyers (yes, it can go over the top in some sports, but that's the last problem RL is likely to have for a long time!). I'm more interested in how many may have gone to travel firms - especially if they're returnable in any way.

gutterfax wrote: http://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/916/rlwc2013-ticket-sales-benefit-from“We are Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the majority of these tickets have not been sold to corporates and travel firms......35,000 final tickets may well be all true RL fans, but the claim that 70% of Wembley buyers are new points to either competition prizes or travel firms. We've heard this noise before from the RFL regarding the 44k at Wembley a few years back....something along the lines of 50% London based purchases. I don't have a problem if there are significant numbers of corporate buyers (yes, it can go over the top in some sports, but that's the last problem RL is likely to have for a long time!). I'm more interested in how many may have gone to travel firms - especially if they're returnable in any way.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:04 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

I'm more interested in how many may have gone to travel firms - especially if they're returnable in any way.

go to the tubee site and type in

"The Rugby League Experience Tommy Raudonikis RLWC 2013 Tour Host "


...and then pray this lot haven't bought 10,000 tickets on a sale or return basis