Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:32 am  

Talent Spotter wrote:

A massive 3% drop since 2009. We're all doomed.

That's not really the point though, is it? Look again

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:16 am  

Talent Spotter wrote:

A massive 3% drop since 2009. We're all doomed.

What about the 12.2% drop in the last 12 months?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:29 am  

What about there being 2/3rds of the season to go?

What about the fact the game has people who call themselves ‘fans’ of the game that will spend more time collating lists of attendances than actually attending games?

If you have a problem with the attendances, the one and only useful and worthwhile thing you can do is go to a game and take a friend. Moaning about the first third of one season not being as good as the best season in over a hundred years of RL is as pointless an exercise as I can think of.

And it isn’t a 12.2% fall, that comparison is not between the games played this year and the games played up this point last year (not least because there hasn’t been the same amount of games played this year as this point last year). It is a 12.2% difference between the games played this year and those same fixtures played at different points throughout different years. The extrapolation requires an assumption that the attendances of fixtures are the same relative to each other. But that is obviously not the case and why that figure will almost certainly narrow before the end of the year.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:55 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

What about the fact the game has people who call themselves ‘fans’ of the game that will spend more time collating lists of attendances than actually attending games?.

Are you seriously suggesting they're mutually exclusive - just because you can't walk and chew gum at the same time?

SmokeyTA wrote:

If you have a problem with the attendances, the one and only useful and worthwhile thing you can do is go to a game and take a friend. Moaning about the first third of one season not being as good as the best season in over a hundred years of RL is as pointless an exercise as I can think of.

Quite useful to know that attendances are down. In fact, it might even motivate people do exactly as you suggest.

SmokeyTA wrote:

And it isn’t a 12.2% fall, that comparison is not between the games played this year and the games played up this point last year (not least because there hasn’t been the same amount of games played this year as this point last year). It is a 12.2% difference between the games played this year and those same fixtures played at different points throughout different years. The extrapolation requires an assumption that the attendances of fixtures are the same relative to each other. But that is obviously not the case and why that figure will almost certainly narrow before the end of the year.

On what basis is it more likely to narrow than widen?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:12 am  

RLBandit wrote:

Are you seriously suggesting they're mutually exclusive - just because you can't walk and chew gum at the same time?

How can a relative statement also be mutually exclusive? That statement couldn’t possibly, to anyone who can actually read and speak the English language be construed as stating anything was mutually exclusive.

Quite useful to know that attendances are down. In fact, it might even motivate people do exactly as you suggest.

Its not useful to us at all.

On what basis is it more likely to narrow than widen?

The summer months and end of season are generally better attended than the beginning of the season.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:24 pm  

It's not a good sign when the Bulls cannot achieve 10k against Wigan on a decent day, not on Sky and higher in the league table than for several seasons.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:32 pm  

STEVENM wrote:

It's not a good sign when the Bulls cannot achieve 10k against Wigan on a decent day, not on Sky and higher in the league table than for several seasons.

Presumably fans are being asked to pay the full whack for season tickets and the like, probably for the first time in a number of seasons, and so that in itself will sort the men from the boys. Other than that, I would imagine it will take a couple of seasons to rebuild confidence in the club, as well as local profile.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:02 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

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Its not useful to us at all.

Does "providing interesting information to readers" count as 'useful'? If not, then technically you are correct - 99% of the content of this forum is no 'use' to anyone.

If things were going really well, would it be equally useless to post (say) evidence of a 25% increase in attendances? Should miracles happen, and attendances ever rise in the near future, or RLWC ticket sales go well, or we find a sponsor, etc. please don't post about it. It would be useless.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:38 pm  

The comparison being used whether showing a 25% rise or fall wouldn’t be much use. If 25% more people had attended the first 11 rounds of the season it would be interesting to note it, but that would be about it. The only use for attendance statistics realistically is to view as part of a trend, in isolation they are pretty meaningless.

BTW, The RLWC has already sold 40k tickets for the final. Nearly 200 days before the tournament starts. The last World Cup, in Australia had an attendance of 50’599 in 2000 44'329. Considering your rabid interest in attendance statistics its telling you haven’t chosen to start a thread praising the outstanding achievement there.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:41 pm  

STEVENM wrote:

It's not a good sign when the Bulls cannot achieve 10k against Wigan

er, basically, they did, near as dammit

STEVENM wrote:

on a decent day,

Before the game, it was pisssing it down in a howling gale! This took PLENTY off the local walk-up gate. Would've been well over 10K on a pleasant day.