Re: Mergers : Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:23 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Let's deal with your points:
The game needs to increase participation that can be done in two main ways: An elite competition that inspires kids to want to play the game e.g. Premier League soccer or through grass roots clubs that give kids an outlet to try the game under appropriate supervision/coaching. Both of these areas of the game need investment. One brings the money in and the other provides the players to ultimately bring the money in.

What I am saying is very few players go to SL from Wath Brow via the Championship - the lack of numbers means there are a miniscule amount of late developers who actually make it at elite level and exceptions should never be the basis for your strategy.

My view is we need a 14 team SL each supporting a championship/feeder club - the 14 teams need to be strategically selected and have a 10 year franchise - no promotion/relegation but strict guidelines around the interaction with the feeder clubs and the amateur/grass roots clubs in their area.

I fail to see how taking funds from the SL clubs and giving it to Dewsbury/Keighley/Hunslet/Swinton/Oldham etc is going to enhance either participation or profile. Their core fans aren't interested in going along to watch them - what's the point?

All everyone wants is high quality entertainment - that will not happen by squandering money so the championship clubs can pay over-the-hill players more money because that is all that will happen with any additional funding.

High quality entertainment eh ? , are you sure ? , if that's the case which team do you suggest I go watching ?

Brisbane maybe ? , Man City perhaps , how about New England ?

Better still , just the WWE Diva's , that'll do

Re: Mergers : Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:56 pm  

it is a shame that Halifax cannot run a reserves team like all those Super League outfits. Otherwise I might be congratulating them for their sterling efforts to keep our game alive.

Re: Mergers : Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:34 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

High quality entertainment eh ? , are you sure ? , if that's the case which team do you suggest I go watching ?

Brisbane maybe ? , Man City perhaps , how about New England ?

Better still , just the WWE Diva's , that'll do

Compared to the Championship-different planet as the vast majority of results in the CC show.

Investing in mediocrity is not the. Best way to spend the cash in the sport

Re: Mergers : Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:36 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Compared to the Championship-different planet as the vast majority of results in the CC show.

Investing in mediocrity is not the. Best way to spend the cash in the sport

How would you know ?

Full of Bull mate

Re: Mergers : Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:37 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

How many new SL players are required every year ?

Let's say a squad of 25 , a career lasting lets say 10 years , so every year each club needs 2.5 new players , we'll times that by 10 clubs for ease of calculation

So every year 25 new SL players are required , how many players do the SL clubs that run academies induct every year ?

Answer this one , not the other post

Probably a dozen , times 8/9 teams , let's say a round 100

So every year there will be a surplus of players not making the grade , where do you expect these players to go ?

Re: Mergers : Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:39 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

This thread is titled ' Mergers. ' , so let's be clear mergers don't work , so there won't be any , ok, end of

The Oracle speaks....

They can work if mamaged correctly. Catalans, St Merge-Illawarra and Wests Tigers (although now Balmain have gone belly up)

Re: Mergers : Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:50 am  

Joff wrote:

The Oracle speaks....

They can work if mamaged correctly. Catalans, St Merge-Illawarra and Wests Tigers (although now Balmain have gone belly up)

Indeed they can, but not if forced on the clubs, at least not in the UK. Putting aside the "fake" mergers we've seen in the UK, the only way they could work is if the merged clubs played out of a brand new stadium nicely located between their original grounds.

Let's assume, for example, that Fax, Bradford and Huddersfield merged but chose the John Smith's Stadium where they'd play their games (or Odsal or the Shay, it doesn't matter). Within a single season Bradford and Fax would have disappeared, and we'd just have the same old Giants club (with a slightly different name) with maybe a hundred or so extra supporters.

The game doesn't have the cash to build new stadiums and (true) mergers won't work and won't happen.

Re: Mergers : Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:59 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Compared to the Championship-different planet as the vast majority of results in the CC show.

Investing in mediocrity is not the. Best way to spend the cash in the sport

There were two levels in the Championship this season, but the entertainment value of clashes between the top 6 clubs surpassed a lot of SL encounters. Sky would do well to consider showing some Championship games next year.

Re: Mergers : Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:23 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Let's deal with your points:
The game needs to increase participation that can be done in two main ways: An elite competition that inspires kids to want to play the game e.g. Premier League soccer or through grass roots clubs that give kids an outlet to try the game under appropriate supervision/coaching. Both of these areas of the game need investment. One brings the money in and the other provides the players to ultimately bring the money in.

What I am saying is very few players go to SL from Wath Brow via the Championship - the lack of numbers means there are a miniscule amount of late developers who actually make it at elite level and exceptions should never be the basis for your strategy.

My view is we need a 14 team SL each supporting a championship/feeder club - the 14 teams need to be strategically selected and have a 10 year franchise - no promotion/relegation but strict guidelines around the interaction with the feeder clubs and the amateur/grass roots clubs in their area.

I fail to see how taking funds from the SL clubs and giving it to Dewsbury/Keighley/Hunslet/Swinton/Oldham etc is going to enhance either participation or profile. Their core fans aren't interested in going along to watch them - what's the point?

All everyone wants is high quality entertainment - that will not happen by squandering money so the championship clubs can pay over-the-hill players more money because that is all that will happen with any additional funding.

I don't know what team you support, but you're totally deluded if you think that any current Championship club would agree to be a "feeder" club. All the clubs in the Championship and L1 have a heritage that they'll not let go. DR is an awful idea that benefits SL clubs far, far more than their Championship "partners". Fax have tried it three times now with different SL clubs, and although this season faired slightly better earlier in the year than previous incarnations, we've had no DR players towards the end of the campaign. It's a concept that needs scrapping.

I'm looking forward to some entertainment on Sunday, unfortunately probably in the main from Hastings and Lui from Salford, but if Fax can click then you never know what might happen.

Re: Mergers : Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:36 am  

HXSparky wrote:

Indeed they can, but not if forced on the clubs, at least not in the UK. Putting aside the "fake" mergers we've seen in the UK, the only way they could work is if the merged clubs played out of a brand new stadium nicely located between their original grounds.

Let's assume, for example, that Fax, Bradford and Huddersfield merged but chose the John Smith's Stadium where they'd play their games (or Odsal or the Shay, it doesn't matter). Within a single season Bradford and Fax would have disappeared, and we'd just have the same old Giants club (with a slightly different name) with maybe a hundred or so extra supporters.

The game doesn't have the cash to build new stadiums and (true) mergers won't work and won't happen.

Not unless the original heritage clubs existed in a league below and run by supporters or a board?