[Wildthing]

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sat May 21, 2016 8:57 am  

Budgiezilla wrote:

This is priceless....coming from a Wakefield Wildcats fan. Reckon you brought about 200 fans (max) to the play off game at Leigh last season.....you must be so proud !
What do Wakefield bring to Sooper League, that Leigh couldn't ?? Answers on a postcard please...... (sorry Wildthing, but he asked for it)

Keep me out of it

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sat May 21, 2016 9:44 am  

Budgiezilla wrote:

This is priceless....coming from a Wakefield Wildcats fan. Reckon you brought about 200 fans (max) to the play off game at Leigh last season.....you must be so proud !
What do Wakefield bring to Sooper League, that Leigh couldn't ?? Answers on a postcard please...... (sorry Wildthing, but he asked for it)

Wakefield TRINITY Wildcats fan.

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sat May 21, 2016 12:33 pm  

Wildthing wrote:

Keep me out of it

Sorry pal...I know I drifted 'well off topic' and ended up 'biting' like a very hungry fish !

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sat May 21, 2016 1:50 pm  

Why would a franchise with no fan base gather any revenue never mind more revenue than the current set up.

Put up a team in Saudi lots of money out there.
I'd give it 12 months before it collapses.
We've done the franchise and it does not work for UK fans.

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sat May 21, 2016 4:49 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

The promotion and relegation system does not work. Championship clubs cannot make it to Super League against even a weak Super League team with a much higher salary cap.

Major corporate sponsors are not interested in funding a sport which has a tiny geographical profile, in this case along the M62 corridor.

The only way rugby league can become popular and get funds at the level of the NRL at least, is to drop P & R and institute franchising with a truly national and an international perspective.

The franchises should be awarded to clubs which have a 10,000 seater minimum stadium and an active junior competition. The best clubs to award franchises to, from the perspective of TV deals and national and international sponorship are:

Wigan
St Helens
Warrington
Leeds
Bradford
Hull FC
Calder United

London
Newcastle
Sheffield

Catalans
Toulouse

Toronto
Montreal

The competition should be renamed Atlantic Super League.

The Canadian teams will have to be stocked with Antipodean and English players at the beginning (as is now planned). Within ten years they should have a majority Canadian player roster thanks to development of Canadian juniors, as now exists with French players at Catalans, and should also exist with French players at Toulouse. The same methods should be used with new USA team ventures.

Future franchise additions to the initially 14 team competition should come from southern England, Wales, France, and the USA. If there is a sufficient player pool there should be no fear of increasing the number of teams over time up to 20, or even 24. If the number was to be 20 I would be looking at having one more team from Wales (Cardiff), one more from southern England, two more from France, and two more from USA. If the number was to increase to 24 then I would look at 4 more teams from the USA.

The days of parochialism are over. The game is atrophying in poverty under the Nigel Wood "P & R on the M62" administration.

Only a truly national and international franchise system will attract big corporate sponsors and get the lucrative TV deals that are enjoyed by rugby league in Australia, and by other sports in Europe and North America.

You have superseded by quite a long way the most ridiculous post I gave ever read. Sport is about the fans, not popularity and gaining worldwide sponsorship and kudos. To save yourself time your thread should just have read:
Bibble

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sun May 22, 2016 8:18 am  

spegs wrote:

Sport is about the fans,

You think?

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sun May 22, 2016 11:58 am  

Yes, without its customer a business ceases to exist. I don't give a flying toss as to whether our sport is global, universal or just played in my back garden. I go to watch my team with my heart. The ideologists can continue to preach their rhetoric. I am the reason Rugby League exists...

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sun May 22, 2016 2:50 pm  

spegs wrote:

Yes, without its customer a business ceases to exist. I don't give a flying toss as to whether our sport is global, universal or just played in my back garden. I go to watch my team with my heart. The ideologists can continue to preach their rhetoric. I am the reason Rugby League exists...

Of course it need's fans but, without cash, there is no sport for the fans to watch, apart from pub teams and lower level amateur games.

Ultimately there is a balance to find, between having enough income for the sport to attract enough quality to make people want to pay and watch.
RL does struggle to attract enough fans through the turnstiles and whilst most on this forum would say that it's the best sport in the world, clearly, not enough people think so or, we would already have a strong global sport.

Our game is derided in the media and it's time that we improved the image of the sport to the outside world and got some positive media exposure.

The only time we make the headlines is when a player has done something stupid.

No too long ago there was some hysteria about media city being in Manchester and people said this would make a change but, the reality is, it's done nothing whatsoever.

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sun May 22, 2016 9:33 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

The promotion and relegation system does not work. Championship clubs cannot make it to Super League against even a weak Super League team with a much higher salary cap.

Major corporate sponsors are not interested in funding a sport which has a tiny geographical profile, in this case along the M62 corridor.

The only way rugby league can become popular and get funds at the level of the NRL at least, is to drop P & R and institute franchising with a truly national and an international perspective.

The franchises should be awarded to clubs which have a 10,000 seater minimum stadium and an active junior competition. The best clubs to award franchises to, from the perspective of TV deals and national and international sponorship are:

Wigan
St Helens
Warrington
Leeds
Bradford
Hull FC
Calder United

London
Newcastle
Sheffield

Catalans
Toulouse

Toronto
Montreal

The competition should be renamed Atlantic Super League.

The Canadian teams will have to be stocked with Antipodean and English players at the beginning (as is now planned). Within ten years they should have a majority Canadian player roster thanks to development of Canadian juniors, as now exists with French players at Catalans, and should also exist with French players at Toulouse. The same methods should be used with new USA team ventures.

Future franchise additions to the initially 14 team competition should come from southern England, Wales, France, and the USA. If there is a sufficient player pool there should be no fear of increasing the number of teams over time up to 20, or even 24. If the number was to be 20 I would be looking at having one more team from Wales (Cardiff), one more from southern England, two more from France, and two more from USA. If the number was to increase to 24 then I would look at 4 more teams from the USA.

The days of parochialism are over. The game is atrophying in poverty under the Nigel Wood "P & R on the M62" administration.

Only a truly national and international franchise system will attract big corporate sponsors and get the lucrative TV deals that are enjoyed by rugby league in Australia, and by other sports in Europe and North America.

Calder won't happen.
London failed epicly the first time round.
You've included Catalan, Tolouse, Toronto & Montreal - But no Cumbrian sides.

Maybe - instead of messing about changing the structures year after year - We should stick with something longer than 3 years and let it develop. Have some patience with it - Something the RFL seem to lack.

Increase the Salary Cap in the Championship to the same as the Super League and we may well see the new structure working.
How they can expect to get a competetive league structure with such a difference in the Salary Cap is truley mind boggling

Re: The RFL cannot attract money; drop P & R, install franch : Sun May 22, 2016 10:30 pm  

spegs wrote:

I am the reason Rugby League exists...

says it all really.