Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:25 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Okay, I think a few things need to be cleared up here.

a) I'm fairly certain that no one on here would condone homophobic behaviour on the rugby pitch. Speaking for myself, I spent a lot of time working with the lgbt society at university, and is something I consider important.

b) that doesn't mean to say, even assuming that those were the words hardaker shouted, means he's being homophobic. It can (and is on a very regular basis) used as a generic insult - and yes is regularly used in youth games between teams up and down the country - verbals are an important part of the psychology game. If it was specifically aimed at someone of that persuasion then it becomes a lot more serious, as it's intent looks a lot more homophobic. The only reason it matters whether it was directed at child is that ref verbals are unacceptable, homophobic or not.

c) abuse is not acceptably on any level, homophobic, xenophobic or anything else. But verbals are part of the game - at 11 year old school games and all the way up. If the chosen vocab was meant as generic insult, to another player, there's nothing in this (except he was stupid enough to be caught on camera, which is a slap on the wrist) - if it was aimed at the ref, regardless of intent, there should be a disciplinary as the ref should command respect. If there was intent for the specific, homophobic, meaning then it is very serious. On the evidence shown so far, it's indeterminant which category it falls in. Yet, you've already acted as judge and jury on the matter.

Pretty much my view too.

I'd also add (though it probably takes the discussion into more of an abstract one), and this is a genuine question to people on here - what would your view be if a player called another player "an effing woman"?

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:36 pm  

Odem wrote:

Fairplay, at least you are not sticking with your judgement.

Some Leeds fans need to consider what they would think if Micky Mac or especially Sam Tomkins had done this during his time at Wigan. Like you say, many are defending him. They didn't defend Tomkins for his actions ay Wembley.

Sorry but you really are a sad, one eyed moron.
Instead of diving in and demanding a player's head on a plate (again) how about waiting to see what happens, what the RFL, the club and the player has to say?

The lynch mob mentality of many in this country right now is frightening.

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:37 pm  

Perhaps they aren't condemning Zak as they don't agree with the idiot with an obvious anti-Leeds bias who has decided he knows who was being addressed by the comment and it's intent. It's a troll who hates Leeds using this as a stick to try beat them with. Pretty sick if you ask me! Having seen it's past posts though it doesn't surprise me.

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:40 pm  

loiner81 wrote:

Sorry but you really are a sad, one eyed moron.
Instead of diving in and demanding a player's head on a plate (again) how about waiting to see what happens, what the RFL, the club and the player has to say?

The lynch mob mentality of many in this country right now is frightening.

Resorting to insults now? I thought I was the only bad guy

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:48 pm  

Does anybody have any audio to go with the clip to support the many potentially libelous accusations that have been published, un-moderated on here? Why is everyone so certain they know what he said? Because of what they think they see? Has anybody ever heard of the McGurk effect? http://youtu.be/G-lN8vWm3m0 If the potentially libelous allegations contained in this thread are proven to be true after proper investigation I hope the RFL take severe action. However, at the moment, I see a lot of indignant people jumping to massive conclusions and making fools of themselves.

Does anybody have any audio to go with the clip to support the many potentially libelous accusations that have been published, un-moderated on here? Why is everyone so certain they know what he said? Because of what they think they see? Has anybody ever heard of the McGurk effect? http://youtu.be/G-lN8vWm3m0 If the potentially libelous allegations contained in this thread are proven to be true after proper investigation I hope the RFL take severe action. However, at the moment, I see a lot of indignant people jumping to massive conclusions and making fools of themselves.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:52 pm  

As I said, I watched it today, it looks and sounds to me like he says fanny to monaghan

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:52 pm  

Odem wrote:

Resorting to insults now? I thought I was the only bad guy

Don't know whether you're a bad guy, probably not, but you're clearly very bitter, blinkered and not very bright.

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:56 pm  

Odem wrote:

I'm amazed people are try to excuse it with 'it wasn't at the ref', 'child isn't gay' and 'all players do it'.

Which of those excuses make that acceptable. People like Him earlier in this thread are just embarrassing because they are sticking to their judgement on this issue which is a disgrace to RL fans.

I don't care who it was said to, why he said it, the tension of the moment, I don't care if childs is gay. This abuse is wrong.

What happens when an 11 year old calls the ref a fag at a school game?

The people defending these actions need to have a look at themselves. Would they accept racism? Where is the line drawn? What if their own son said it on a field? What if their friend is gay and someone says these words in a pub?

In other words nothing is ever said. Players will breathe and exhale but nothing else. They will not engage in conversation on the field in fear of saying something derogatory. What a load of bollax. Sorry, never thought of those with no testicles. Shame on me.

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:57 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

As I said, I watched it today, it looks and sounds to me like he says fanny to monaghan

Could very easily be the case.

Will the Wiganer on a witch-hunt publishing potentially libelous accusations acknowledge that could be the case or is he certain he knows what Zak said and who he said it to?

Re: Zac Hardaker homophobic abuse towards the ref : Sat May 31, 2014 5:59 pm  

Him wrote:

:CLAP:
Pretty much my view too.

I'd also add (though it probably takes the discussion into more of an abstract one), and this is a genuine question to people on here - what would your view be if a player called another player "an effing woman"?

Exactly what I'm getting at.

Rugby players (and most blokes in general) give each other grief, whether it be light hearted banter or in the heat of the action in sports - all sorts of 'descriptive' terms are used, yet we only get the BS outrage when it's certain insults, and it's only the ones that are seen as being 'inclusive'... I suppose all those who are outraged have never called someone fat, ugly, ginger, 4 eyed, travelling friend, inbred etc etc etc....