Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:18 pm  

Chris.Taylor wrote:

Okay, slowly may have been the wrong word, but the progression at the club could be seen last night from where we were 5 years to today. A crowd of under 4,000 at this level of rugby is very good, especially when there was such little support.

I agree that the club needs to make huge improvements and knowing the chairmen, directors and staff like I do, they will be working there best to achieve this.

One major difference at the club is the positiveness and understanding what the end goal is.

Really enjoying the debate Smokey.

If the club understand and acknowledge that they have huge improvements to make to even be in a position to compete, then why are we introducing a system which will likely see them promoted to SL before they have chance to make those improvements and in fact take the emphasis away from making the improvements in favour of short-term on-field success? How will that be of benefit to anyone?

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:20 pm  

headhunter wrote:

If the club understand and acknowledge that they have huge improvements to make to even be in a position to compete, then why are we introducing a system which will likely see them promoted to SL before they have chance to make those improvements and in fact take the emphasis away from making the improvements in favour of short-term on-field success? How will that be of benefit to anyone?

Problem is, you could apply that to half the clubs in SL !!! Perhaps they should cut it down to 10 teams.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:04 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

And football in this country has a worse record of clubs going into admin that we do. I have also not said that I ask for a club to challenge on promotion, I would ask that they are competitive, and also that they are in a position to be challenging at some point in the near future.

Let me ask you this. In all honesty, without putting in place rules deliberately designed to hamper the top clubs (and that includes the deliberately low SC we have now), can you see Fev growing to a level where they could feasibly compete in 5 years time? 10 years? Ever?

and if we allow clubs in SL that are never going to challenge, are always going to be second best, why do we have an SC to protect them and keep them competitive?

That's fine, but it effectively means promote no one as the odds are against them and keep clubs in SL as they are the best we can hope for.

Also we can cut SL right down as I mean seriously what are the odds of clubs like Huddersfield, Warrington, Hull KR ever achieving.

Decades of going no where, decades of mediocrity. Should have been merged with Halifax, Saints and Hull FC to allow them to succeed.

Ok I'm being sarcastic, but no one can predict the future of clubs, todays SL is a hell uv a lot different to the first SL.

Only 6 club surviving, Bradford and Leeds swapping opposite ends of the league, London from a successful start slowly fading over time. Warrington annual contenders rather than annual pretenders. Clubs in the mean time have flirted with relegation, been down and come back merged, restarted. None of it is predictable as you make it sound. Whose to say Featherstone will not thrive and others fall back, that is sport. You cannot predict 10-20 years ahead.

But I'll let you try. £10 to you if you can predict 3/4ers of SL 2030. I'm happy to make it a one way bet.

1. St Helens
2. Wigan
3. Bradford
4. London
5. Warrington
6. Halifax
7. Sheffield Eagles
8. Oldham
9. Castleford
11. Paris St Germain
12. Workington

1 Huddersfield Giants
2 Warrington Wolves
3 Wigan Warriors
4 Leeds Rhinos
5 St Helens
6 Catalan Dragons
7 Hull FC
8 Hull K R
9 Bradford Bulls
10 Wakefield Wildcats
11 Widnes Vikings
12 Castleford Tigers
13 Salford City Reds
14 London Broncos

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:26 pm  

When are all the nobbheads on here going to realise we dont have half a dozen big city potential mega clubs just waiting to despatch Leeds and Wigan from their lofty perchs at the top of RL in this country

We have what we have, any improvement to it should be applauded, to belittle it just shows how completely out of touch with reality these idiots are

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:26 pm  

headhunter wrote:

No, but what you posted is totally inconsequential to anything since Leigh Centurions don't own the stadium and AFAIK aren't involved in its construction or maintenance.

You're Padge on TotalRL aren't you..... ....

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:29 pm  

littlerich wrote:

Thankfully the game will still be here long after you clowns are dead.

Hoping that was aimed at Smokey clown and emptyHead....

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:43 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

That's fine, but it effectively means promote no one as the odds are against them and keep clubs in SL as they are the best we can hope for.

Also we can cut SL right down as I mean seriously what are the odds of clubs like Huddersfield, Warrington, Hull KR ever achieving.

Decades of going no where, decades of mediocrity. Should have been merged with Halifax, Saints and Hull FC to allow them to succeed.

Ok I'm being sarcastic, but no one can predict the future of clubs, todays SL is a hell uv a lot different to the first SL.

Only 6 club surviving, Bradford and Leeds swapping opposite ends of the league, London from a successful start slowly fading over time. Warrington annual contenders rather than annual pretenders. Clubs in the mean time have flirted with relegation, been down and come back merged, restarted. None of it is predictable as you make it sound. Whose to say Featherstone will not thrive and others fall back, that is sport. You cannot predict 10-20 years ahead.

But I'll let you try. £10 to you if you can predict 3/4ers of SL 2030. I'm happy to make it a one way bet.

1. St Helens
2. Wigan
3. Bradford
4. London
5. Warrington
6. Halifax
7. Sheffield Eagles
8. Oldham
9. Castleford
11. Paris St Germain
12. Workington

1 Huddersfield Giants
2 Warrington Wolves
3 Wigan Warriors
4 Leeds Rhinos
5 St Helens
6 Catalan Dragons
7 Hull FC
8 Hull K R
9 Bradford Bulls
10 Wakefield Wildcats
11 Widnes Vikings
12 Castleford Tigers
13 Salford City Reds
14 London Broncos

£10 on a 17 year bet, nice.

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:52 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

£10 on a 17 year bet, nice.

But what odds.....

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:01 pm  

We never have had auto P&R ground caveats were always in place hence Fev could not get promoted back in the day and still don't have a facility that would meet that criteria
For those not in the know LSV was built at no cost to the council

Re: Fev Rovers looking promising : Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:50 pm  

I think it it worth acknowledging that at fev as many other clubs like batley/fax/leigh/dewsbury to name a few, there are an army of volunteers, selling match programs, promoting the club, working on the pitch and at fev, actually building the new stands for free. Are we saying that what they are doing is pointless as we cant keep up with the 'big boys'? Shall we just all pack up and not bother then? How long can we count on the generous support of such people if the door closes on 'unfashionable' clubs?

Look at Zac Hardaker, Richard whiting, Rooney who was at Wakey and to some extent Rob Burrow...All from the Fev set up or amateur. This is what the championship brings, fresh new players to the Superleague dot forget that.

Some people here sound like they have had it too good for too long and forget what it is like to have to work their way up. I think Chris Taylor has been incredibly patient with his debate on here but it sounds to me that some people are so far removed from the leagues below they dont know how frustrating and frankly unfair it feels to have a club that you love and support told 'no' to playing with the big clubs because we are in the wrong area, or the grounds not quite big enough! Look at Blackpool in football, it did them no harm going up to the premiership, controlling their spending then coming back down. They are now more secure financially because they have been well managed. This has not been the case at Celtic (dont get me started on them) Bradford, wakey and now london. Franchising has failed and done nothing but put people off. has anyone tried explaining franchising to a non-rugby league fan? They think it is insane and it is.

If the fans of the big clubs had to swap places with Championship clubs I bet there would be a swift turnaround to their priorities are what is good for rugby league.

Fev is a well run club. We have won the league shield 3 years on the bounce and might make it 4. We beat Cas with a part time team, and Gave Wigan a run for their money. We own our own ground. We are improving our facilities and our fan base. We have some full time players already. What else can we do?! It is absolute madness! Maybe we need to speak french or welsh, but frankly I think if your well run, it does not matter if your team yo-yo's, they will survive and the hope stays alive.