Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:36 am  

Shoe Shine Johnny wrote:

So basically you are saying that but for a shock England win in game 1 and a surprise feel good factor 1995 could have been a disaster.

No, that's not what I'm basically saying. What I am basically saying is that's exactly what you are basically saying as your agenda continues to downplay the attendances in the 1995 World Cup as some kind of freak occurrence which only happened because England beat Australia in the opening fixture. I merely agreed with you that the Final in 1995 would have been less well attended if England hadn't qualified for it and NZ had also qualified for it ahead of Australia.

Shoe Shine Johnny wrote:

But a world cup with nearly 300k pre-sales with a final that will have a 74k sell out at OT and 40-50k pre-sold for Wembley before a ball is kicked is laughable. On this basis, if we get an England win at Cardiff the potential for the tournament will be sky high. Or have you stopped comparing like for like as you did earlier with your 17k per game post.

I tried to explain to you that back in 1995, the culture was different. Fans bowled up to games paying full price at the turnstiles without the desire or need to pre-purchase a ticket beforehand, hence why citing only 50K in pre-tournament ticket sales back in 1995 in comparison to 2013 is a flawed comparison. The fans back in 1995 didn't need to be bribed to attend the World Cup fixtures with 50% cheap offer deals either.

Does your agenda and associated flawed reasoning plan on highlighting any further negatives with regard to the 1995 World Cup attendances which averaged a healthy 17,707 per fixture?

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:34 am  

30 second advert to be played out nationally during the England vs. Poland World Cup Qualifier. Should be seen by plenty of eyes. Sure it'll give some something to whinge about still.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:46 pm  

t-r-i-n-i-t-y wrote: 30 second advert to be played out nationally during the England vs. Poland World Cup Qualifier. Should be seen by plenty of eyes. Sure it'll give some something to whinge about still. Fingers crossed it'll spark some interest... You can see the add here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-to3bQuE ... 3OwQioIgBQ But is it me who thinks they're missing a trick - this was on before the Challenge Cup final and looks more exciting and engaging (i know it's supposed to be a preview of the Wembley double-header) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPdY016E ... 3OwQioIgBQ They should have tried to combine the two, but I realise you can only get so much across in a 35sec clip...

t-r-i-n-i-t-y wrote: 30 second advert to be played out nationally during the England vs. Poland World Cup Qualifier. Should be seen by plenty of eyes. Sure it'll give some something to whinge about still. Fingers crossed it'll spark some interest... You can see the add here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-to3bQuE ... 3OwQioIgBQ But is it me who thinks they're missing a trick - this was on before the Challenge Cup final and looks more exciting and engaging (i know it's supposed to be a preview of the Wembley double-header) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPdY016E ... 3OwQioIgBQ They should have tried to combine the two, but I realise you can only get so much across in a 35sec clip...

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:52 pm  

William Eve wrote:

No, that's not what I'm basically saying. What I am basically saying is that's exactly what you are basically saying as your agenda continues to downplay the attendances in the 1995 World Cup as some kind of freak occurrence which only happened because England beat Australia in the opening fixture. I merely agreed with you that the Final in 1995 would have been less well attended if England hadn't qualified for it and NZ had also qualified for it ahead of Australia.

I tried to explain to you that back in 1995, the culture was different. Fans bowled up to games paying full price at the turnstiles without the desire or need to pre-purchase a ticket beforehand, hence why citing only 50K in pre-tournament ticket sales back in 1995 in comparison to 2013 is a flawed comparison. The fans back in 1995 didn't need to be bribed to attend the World Cup fixtures with 50% cheap offer deals either.

Does your agenda and associated flawed reasoning plan on highlighting any further negatives with regard to the 1995 World Cup attendances which averaged a healthy 17,707 per fixture?

It seems we both can't have it both ways You cannot compare a tournament average that had little pre-sales and a massive walk up with one that has large pre-sales but has had no chance to record tickets over an additional 9 week period or any type of modern day late surge. And I can't do the opposite LOL

The 1995 was one of my highlights watching RL and the crowds were strong. I remember being in the press box for Eng v Fiji at Wigan during that midweek game. It was as if a new era had dawned.

RL fans do not have the luxury of a fantastic international calendar and many people are at fault for that. I am willing to give this WC organizing committee a chance to show what they can do between now and Nov 30.

It is also a shame that the emerging nations gig from 1995 hasn't been re-established.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:01 pm  

Madderzahatter wrote: But is it me who thinks they're missing a trick - this was on before the Challenge Cup final and looks more exciting and engaging (i know it's supposed to be a preview of the Wembley double-header) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPdY016E ... 3OwQioIgBQ Hadn't seen that - that's much better than the TV ad! 344 views for a video posted two weeks ago is pretty dissapointing though.

Madderzahatter wrote: But is it me who thinks they're missing a trick - this was on before the Challenge Cup final and looks more exciting and engaging (i know it's supposed to be a preview of the Wembley double-header) -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPdY016E ... 3OwQioIgBQ Hadn't seen that - that's much better than the TV ad! 344 views for a video posted two weeks ago is pretty dissapointing though.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:26 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

I repeat........how fast was your internet connection back in 1995? Did you send many text messages, or use your inclusive minutes to call up and pre-purchase game tickets or did you pay on the gate?

We all do things a lot differently in 2013 than we did in 1995. I am typing this on my phone which has a processor that is probably faster than the one I had on my desktop 18 years ago. I haven't purchased a ticket to any event in any way other than on-line for at least the last 10 years, haven't seen the inside of a travel agents in the same period of time and generally purchase tickets for sports events as soon as they become available (Auckland 9's tickets, Flights and Hotel already booked).

The RL fans are lazy argument is flawed.......what will be the excuse when the 500k target isn't hit?

Oh....BTW, if they are hoping England can manage to defeat the Aussies in game 1 as a basis for a "surge" in sales, then the people responsible should be shot......

I can buy a QF ticket in Wrexham for a tenner, one for Wigan for a fiver more. Not sure if the discount codes work, but in reality, England v Samoa/France/PNG in Wigan is live on the BBC so I wouldn't be banking on a massive walk up crowd for that game. The RLWC semi-final double header would involve trains/coaches/cars/hotels etc.....I really wouldn't hang my hat on a massive surge once the line up is known, because in reality, the only variable is who Australia will hammer in the 2nd game (Fiji probably)

They have set 500,000 as their target probably that is their best case scenario. So if they eventually get say 400,000 i would think they will be reasonably satisfied. if they reach their most optomistic estimates of 500,000 Yi would think they will be ecstatic.

I went to a wembly final 40 years ago amd pre purchased my ticket by mail from the RFL well in advance of the game, so this is not a new concept. It is certainly much much more prevalent since the advent of the internet and the speed of this medium is also reason for optimisim that sales will spike as the tournament gets going, the strength and likeability of various teams is revealed and the quarter finals lineups become known.

It is hard to look at the tournament as it stands at this moment and not be happy with it. It will be ther most successful world cup held in this country. That should be the benchmark and it looks like we will exceed it by some way.

I think if you got to Heaven you would complain that an angel's halo was crooked. I prefer to look at the many positives not constantly denigrate the sport I follow and harp constantly on it's failure when that does not seem to be the case here.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:27 pm  

Prince wrote:

Hadn't seen that - that's much better than the TV ad! 344 views for a video posted two weeks ago is pretty dissapointing though.

I know - but we already knew PR wasn't rugby league's strong point...

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:27 pm  

boring advert! We have the hardest hitting toughest game in the world supported by passionate fans, and we get a couple of players on the training pitch? Wow, just wow.

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:28 pm  

JB Down Under wrote:

Noting advert! We have the hardest hitting toughest game in the world supported by passionate fans, and we get a couple of players on the training pitch? Wow, just wow.

That's why i think they should have used the second ad. You don't need the voiceover - just let the pics speak for themselves...

Re: World Cup Ticket Sales : Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:29 pm  

Prince wrote:

Hadn't seen that - that's much better than the TV ad! 344 views for a video posted two weeks ago is pretty dissapointing though.

Might have got more if they had made it avail to mobile devices!