Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:25 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

Let me make this simple for even you to understand. There is a positive relationship between higher attendances and profit/loss *when you correct for unrelated items*. For example, what the club happened to spend that year ( on anything, a new stand, bank interest, a payoff for redundacies, a new pitch, whatever - not to mention whatever the sponsorship happened to be that year) are all factors that determine the P &L in that particular year. To say "attendance doesn't track profit" on a year by year basis, might be technically true but only in the idiotic sense of failing to separate variables. You really are an absolute @&£%wit if you believe that higher attendances and profit are unrelated.

Im guessing you arent even able to understand your own post judging by the amount of times you contradict yourself there.

So to use your words, attendance doesnt track profit, except it does,

but only when we ignore all other variables, but they are factors that determine the P+L,

but it is idiotic not to separate the variables, even though things like a new stand, bank interest, payoffs for redundancies, a new pitch whatever, i.e the variables are all factors that determine profit

but they are also *unrelated items* so should be ignored

That is quite impressively contradictory, well done on that, i would have been even more impressed however if your attempt to cover all bases by arguing both sides with yourself had actually achieved that aim. But it didnt.

Because clearly attendance and profitability are two different things.

Club A getting 10k at £50 per ticket, would make more revenue on their attendance, than Club B getting 20k at £10 per ticket.

Do we know which club is more profitable Club A or Club B? No because we dont know the respective outgoings, we dont know which makes more from corporate, sponsorship, secondary uses of the stadium, catering etc. In fact, all we do know, is one part, of one factor, of their revenue. A tiny fraction of the equation which decides profit or loss.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:17 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Last years "EASTER" corresponding fixtures Averaged 12,636
Last years actual corresponding fixtures Averaged 11,080
Easter 2011 averaged 12,097

We arrive at the same figures above apart from your figure of 11,080 average for the corresponding fixtures last year which is 81,841/7=11,692 according to my figures.

gutterfax wrote:

For the Printer, these figures may be slightly out as I sourced them from a mixture of wiki (see above) and the RL Project website.....

Since he fails to back up any of his own stats on SL attendance totals by providing a list of individual attendances along with sources, his sundry and obsessive interjections may be considered irrelevant in their entirety.

gutterfax wrote:

Anyway Billy.....BEFORE the weekends festivities commence, what would be, in your opinion an acceptable average attendance?

On the basis of the previous attendance totals for the same fixtures (apart from having to replace the Widnes fixtures with the associated Crusaders fixtures circa 2009 to 2011) below...

SL 2012 = 81,841/7 = 11,692
SL 2011 = 81,360/7 = 11,623
SL 2010 = 77,879/7 = 11,126
SL 2009 = 82,139/7 = 11,734

... and factoring in the current "unacceptable" decline in SL attendances in 2013 by over 12% for the same fixtures when compared to last year...

... I'd suggest a Thursday & Good Friday Easter attendance no more than 5% down on last year may be considered acceptable given the current climate of apathy for the regular season and other factors. Therefore, anything around 78,000 in total or an average of around 11,150 or above.

What's your acceptable figure?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:11 pm  

UPDATE...
SL Round 9 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

London V Catalan in 2013 = 1,136
London V Catalan in 2012 = 1,829
Percentage decrease = -37.89%

Leeds V Bradford in 2013 = 16,604
Leeds V Bradford in 2012 = 18,520
Percentage decrease = -10.35%

44 out of 56 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.

Total attendance for 56 SL fixtures in 2013 = 473,363 (Avg: 8,453)
Total attendance for same 56 SL fixtures in 2012 = 541,438 (Avg: 9,669)
% decrease = -12.57%

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:16 pm  

William Eve wrote:

UPDATE...
SL Round 9 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

London V Catalan in 2013 = 1,136
London V Catalan in 2012 = 1,829
Percentage decrease = -37.89%

Leeds V Bradford in 2013 = 16,604
Leeds V Bradford in 2012 = 18,520
Percentage decrease = -10.35%

44 out of 56 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.

Total attendance for 56 SL fixtures in 2013 = 473,363 (Avg: 8,453)
Total attendance for same 56 SL fixtures in 2012 = 541,438 (Avg: 9,669)
% decrease = -12.57%

But did you enjoy the match?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:16 pm  

William Eve wrote:

UPDATE...
SL Round 9 attendances - comparison to same fixtures last year

London V Catalan in 2013 = 1,136
London V Catalan in 2012 = 1,829
Percentage decrease = -37.89%

Leeds V Bradford in 2013 = 16,604
Leeds V Bradford in 2012 = 18,520
Percentage decrease = -10.35%

44 out of 56 SL fixtures in 2013 have now registered a fall in attendance compared to the same fixtures between the same teams last year.

Total attendance for 56 SL fixtures in 2013 = 473,363 (Avg: 8,453)
Total attendance for same 56 SL fixtures in 2012 = 541,438 (Avg: 9,669)
% decrease = -12.57%

You got back from Headingley pretty fast

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:57 pm  

The 16,604 attendance at Headingley tonight was the lowest for a regular season Leeds V Bradford derby game since 2002.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:08 pm  

Thanks for letting me know

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:17 pm  

William Eve wrote:

The 16,604 attendance at Headingley tonight was the lowest for a regular season Leeds V Bradford derby game since 2002.

But did you enjoy the game? It would be a shame if you'd missed actual rugby league to calculate attendance figures.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:29 pm  

1,136 for a Full Time SL club. That maths donta add up! Respect for David Hughes, poor chap.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:37 pm  

Urmston Wire wrote:

But did you enjoy the game? It would be a shame if you'd missed actual rugby league to calculate attendance figures.

He didn't watch it