Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:56 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Except, as you say, they arent the same 48 fixtures. Which is why you have to fudge them. We will have the complete set of figures. It makes no sense to pay attention to the incomplete set.

I'm not the one claiming SL attendances in 2013 are the second highest attendances in the history of the game, therefore you are going to have to do so much better than that by providing the requisite evidence to back up your assertion.

What I am claiming is that SL attendances in 2013 to date are currently the worst during the modern SL era of franchising, 14 clubs and the 8 team play-off system.

SmokeyTA wrote:

But even the cherry picked, incomplete figures you are using, still only show a difference between 2013 and 2011 of a huge 315 per game drop. I havent missed a figure out there, just in case you were actually worried, thats three hundred and fifteen. Phew, everyone can probably put away the shovels, stop building the fallout shelter in the basement, get rid of the stockpile of tinned food and potable water and tell the preppers thanks but no thanks. Fortunately it seems the world isnt ending.

Translation: My assertion that SL attendances in 2013 are the second highest attendances in the history of the game was erroneous all along and based upon no evidence apart from nonsense cherry picked from my incompletely creative imagination.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:05 pm  

William Eve wrote:

I'm not the one claiming SL attendances in 2013 are the second highest attendances in the history of the game, therefore you are going to have to do so much better than that by providing the requisite evidence to back up your assertion.

What I am claiming is that SL attendances in 2013 to date are currently the worst during the modern SL era of franchising, 14 clubs and the 8 team play-off system.

going to be. Thats what i said. As you are aware. And they were a few weeks back. When you are using such a small sample size, one or a few outlying results can change the picture quite dramatically. Which is why only a moron, or a troll, would try to use such a small sample size. You can choose which one you are. I dont mind.

Translation: My assertion that SL attendances in 2013 are the second highest attendances in the history of the game was erroneous all along and based upon no evidence apart from nonsense cherry picked from my incompletely creative imagination.

Translation: I cant find a way to spin that stat to look worse. I cant find a way of saying that an increase of a whole 157 per game over the rest of the year would result in the 2nd best attended season in the history of the game is something to worry about. So ill ignore it and talk about something else. Some way that my nonsense cherry picked incomplete stats can unimaginatively, be used to troll with.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:21 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

going to be. Thats what i said. As you are aware. And they were a few weeks back. When you are using such a small sample size, one or a few outlying results can change the picture quite dramatically. Which is why only a moron, or a troll, would try to use such a small sample size. You can choose which one you are. I dont mind.

TranslationI cant find a way to spin that stat to look worse. I cant find a way of saying that an increase of a whole 157 per game over the rest of the year would result in the 2nd best attended season in the history of the game is something to worry about. So ill ignore it and talk about something else. Some way that my nonsense cherry picked incomplete stats can unimaginatively, be used to troll with.

Then when the weather improves and attendances rise, you can anounce " I told you so "

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:28 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Then when the weather improves and attendances rise, you can anounce " I told you so "

To be honest, i dont think anyone would even really notice would they? 157? Its well within what I would expect the margin of error to be, so i doubt we would ever even know if it ever really happened either way.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:30 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

To be honest, i dont think anyone would even really notice would they? 157? Its well within what I would expect the margin of error to be, so i doubt we would ever even know if it ever really happened either way.

They will if you remind them of it in October

As long as you are correct

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:31 pm  

JonB95 wrote: The Hull game was televised on a Saturday this year compared to a hot sunday afternoon last year, but that was a disappointment. The other 2 crowds were very similar to last years. It was played on April 9th Easter Monday last year which, given the quick turnaround from the Good Friday fixtures only 3 days earlier, is a notorious round for poorer attendances comparatively speaking. The weather was also described as steady drizzle according to Andy Wilson. Only one Huddersfield attendance this year has been similar to last year... the other three have been well down on last year. The home attendance against Hull this season was almost half as much as the attendance way back in 2009 for the same fixture... ouch! Huddersfield home attendances Fixture... 2013... 2012... %loss/gain V London... 5273... 6019... -12.39% V Wigan... 8023... 10123... -20.74% V Bradford... 7616... 7477... +1.86 V Hull... 5536... 9950... -44.36% TOTAL... 26448... 33569... -21.21% Huddersfield home attendances V Hull 2013 = 5536 2012 = 9950 2011 = 8822 2010 = 7939 2009 = 10459

JonB95 wrote: The Hull game was televised on a Saturday this year compared to a hot sunday afternoon last year, but that was a disappointment. The other 2 crowds were very similar to last years. It was played on April 9th Easter Monday last year which, given the quick turnaround from the Good Friday fixtures only 3 days earlier, is a notorious round for poorer attendances comparatively speaking. The weather was also described as steady drizzle according to Andy Wilson. Only one Huddersfield attendance this year has been similar to last year... the other three have been well down on last year. The home attendance against Hull this season was almost half as much as the attendance way back in 2009 for the same fixture... ouch! Huddersfield home attendances Fixture... 2013... 2012... %loss/gain V London... 5273... 6019... -12.39% V Wigan... 8023... 10123... -20.74% V Bradford... 7616... 7477... +1.86 V Hull... 5536... 9950... -44.36% TOTAL... 26448... 33569... -21.21% Huddersfield home attendances V Hull 2013 = 5536 2012 = 9950 2011 = 8822 2010 = 7939 2009 = 10459

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:36 pm  

Starbug wrote:

They will if you remind them of it in October

As long as you are correct

Thats a long time for me to remember. I dont make spreadsheets of stuff like this like Mr Eve.

Hopefully ill be celebrating another GF victory in october, plus there is the world cup. There will be better things to do.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:44 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Thats a long time for me to remember. I dont make spreadsheets of stuff like this like Mr Eve.

Hopefully ill be celebrating another GF victory in october, plus there is the world cup. There will be better things to do.

So what exactly are you worried about? , ignore the thread

Unless of course you like most other intelligent people realise that attendances are and will be down, for a variety of reasons

Also you point of Leeds income not suffering despite attendances being down was quite ridiculous, then again you are good at that

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:50 pm  

Starbug wrote:

So what exactly are you worried about? , ignore the thread

Where is the logic in that?

Unless of course you like most other intelligent people realise that attendances are and will be down, for a variety of reasons

I've no doubt attendances would be down on 2012, i thought that pretty much obvious. It would be an outstanding achievement for them to be up or at the same level as last year. Dont think they will be down on 2011 though. Im not sure why anyone other than those pushing their bitter agenda would do.

Also you point of Leeds income not suffering despite attendances being down was quite ridiculous, then again you are good at that

Why was it ridiculous. Leeds attendances were down, their profitability grew, ergo attendances are not directly correlated to profit. What is ridiculous about pointing that out?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:55 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Where is the logic in that?

I've no doubt attendances would be down on 2012, i thought that pretty much obvious. It would be an outstanding achievement for them to be up or at the same level as last year. Dont think they will be down on 2011 though. Im not sure why anyone other than those pushing their bitter agenda would do.
Why was it ridiculous. Leeds attendances were down, their profitability grew, ergo attendances are not directly correlated to profit. What is ridiculous about pointing that out?

Because if attendances had risen, so would their profits

As to the rest, the usual ' Waffle '