Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:11 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yes it is good to know, but he chose to conviently ignore the discounts offered in 2012, 2011 or any other previous years to push his agenda. The main problem is that he hasn't even remotely ''try and understand'' about attendances, that you and some others can't see that is baffling.

If he wants to present a PROPER argument about attendances he needs to provides both sides of the story, he continuously choses not to and goes for the negative spin on things. When I (or others) provide the other side, yourself and others, label us as RFL & Nigel Wood lovers simply because you don't want to hear anything other than the bad side of things. People have said ''no, you can't count Saints, Salford etc.'' but has that stopped him or his 'followers'.......No, so you can't then turn around and ask us to do what you fail to do, it's yet again more hypocrisy.

That reason came from different threads so you can't claim that as ''he's given several reasons'' on this particular thread, he simply hasn't........it's also fundamentally contradictory to his remarks about Wakey making games more affordable, and he wasn't properly questioning or reasoning Wakey's prices, he was sarcastically knocking their improved attendance figures. So really the ONLY and SOLE reason he has given on this thread for lower attendances is PLAYOFF FORMAT.........it's lazy, incorrect, inaccurate, poor, pathetic, negative, agenda driven rubbish that he hopes will get enough people to drink the kool-aid with him. Seems he has a few gullible followers unfortunately!

Never mind the Kool-Aid, I'd lay off the Coca-Cola for a bit, it's not doing your blood pressure any favours. I'm fairly sure that RL will survive Mr. Eve's 'negativity' with or without your help.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:28 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

Never mind the Kool-Aid, I'd lay off the Coca-Cola for a bit, it's not doing your blood pressure any favours. I'm fairly sure that RL will survive Mr. Eve's 'negativity' with or without your help.

AKA - Can't think of any worthy response to the proper argument you've provided.

And my blood pressure is absolutely fine thanks, I'm only 26 so still nice and young and healthy thanks. I'm more accurately 'baffled' than 'worked-up'. And finally that is what i've been staying all along, that RL will be just fine and 'survive'.....not dooms-daying over some dropped attendances like yourself and others.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:44 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

.....not dooms-daying over some dropped attendances like yourself and others.

Not dooms-anything mate. Simple facts are that crowds have dropped and in most cases that willmean revenues have too.....for 14 SL clubs that lose money, that's not good.

The point is,pro sports have toengage their audience on a contnuous basis.....not run "bullmania" for a few years then expect people to keep coming..... you need to keep doing it for years and then when you are turning away 10% of potential customers due to full houses, keep doing it until fans forget why they are coming...they just know they need to.
My Brother was a CFC fan in the70's/80's....the bridge was a poop hole that was rarely full......5 years ago, I bought my 2 nephews tickets for a standard league match at 95 quid each .......people have forgotten why they want togo...they just know they do!

RL needs 20 years+ of investment in marketing......no chance of that with the current pigs feeding at the trough though.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:10 pm  

gutterfax wrote: Not dooms-anything mate. Simple facts are that crowds have dropped and in most cases that willmean revenues have too.....for 14 SL clubs that lose money, that's not good. The point is,pro sports have toengage their audience on a contnuous basis.....not run "bullmania" for a few years then expect people to keep coming..... you need to keep doing it for years and then when you are turning away 10% of potential customers due to full houses, keep doing it until fans forget why they are coming...they just know they need to. My Brother was a CFC fan in the70's/80's....the bridge was a poop hole that was rarely full......5 years ago, I bought my 2 nephews tickets for a standard league match at 95 quid each .......people have forgotten why they want togo...they just know they do! RL needs 20 years+ of investment in marketing......no chance of that with the current pigs feeding at the trough though. thats not necessarily true though is it. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-5517372 as Leeds are proving. Record attendances dont necessarily result in record financial figures. The game does have a hardcore of fans, a hardcore which is growing, are attendances, on the whole, are growing. 7 rounds doesnt undo everything that has happened in the last ten years, it doesnt define what will happen next week, never mind the next ten years. Yes there are issues and challenges the game faces, but even if the game is run perfectly, with a fair wind and in an ideal world, in 10 years time, the game will still have issues and challenges as long as they are being addressed, then we are in a good position. The game is in a massively better position now than it was 5, 10, 15, 20 or 30 years ago. We have modern, quality stadiums at Hull, Wigan, Wire, Saints, Salford, Huddersfield, Widnes, We have big improvements at Leeds, Les Catalans and Hull KR and Odsal is a perfectly acceptable Stadium for Bradford. We have more amateur players and more players coming through our systems, we have more fully pro and more semi pro clubs. This isnt perfection, it is progress. And i 100% agree that the game needs 20+ years of investment in marketing, it also needs 20+years investment in youth development, sports science, facilities, and probably a million other things.

gutterfax wrote: Not dooms-anything mate. Simple facts are that crowds have dropped and in most cases that willmean revenues have too.....for 14 SL clubs that lose money, that's not good. The point is,pro sports have toengage their audience on a contnuous basis.....not run "bullmania" for a few years then expect people to keep coming..... you need to keep doing it for years and then when you are turning away 10% of potential customers due to full houses, keep doing it until fans forget why they are coming...they just know they need to. My Brother was a CFC fan in the70's/80's....the bridge was a poop hole that was rarely full......5 years ago, I bought my 2 nephews tickets for a standard league match at 95 quid each .......people have forgotten why they want togo...they just know they do! RL needs 20 years+ of investment in marketing......no chance of that with the current pigs feeding at the trough though. thats not necessarily true though is it. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-5517372 as Leeds are proving. Record attendances dont necessarily result in record financial figures. The game does have a hardcore of fans, a hardcore which is growing, are attendances, on the whole, are growing. 7 rounds doesnt undo everything that has happened in the last ten years, it doesnt define what will happen next week, never mind the next ten years. Yes there are issues and challenges the game faces, but even if the game is run perfectly, with a fair wind and in an ideal world, in 10 years time, the game will still have issues and challenges as long as they are being addressed, then we are in a good position. The game is in a massively better position now than it was 5, 10, 15, 20 or 30 years ago. We have modern, quality stadiums at Hull, Wigan, Wire, Saints, Salford, Huddersfield, Widnes, We have big improvements at Leeds, Les Catalans and Hull KR and Odsal is a perfectly acceptable Stadium for Bradford. We have more amateur players and more players coming through our systems, we have more fully pro and more semi pro clubs. This isnt perfection, it is progress. And i 100% agree that the game needs 20+ years of investment in marketing, it also needs 20+years investment in youth development, sports science, facilities, and probably a million other things.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:59 pm  

During the current franchised, 14 club, top 8 play-off system SL era... the total attendances in SL to date are the lowest we have ever witnessed! Not even the replacement of the poorly-supported Crusaders with the better-supported Widnes or the establishment of 2 new stadia can prevent the 2013 SL attendances from being the worst on record so far.

SL Rounds 1 to 7 total attendances comparison (2009 to 2013)
SL 2013 - 413,407 from 48 fixtures.
SL 2012 - 461,061 from the same 48 fixtures.
SL 2011 - 428,564 from the same 48 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.
SL 2010 - 423,536 from the same 48 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.
SL 2009 - 426,126 from the same 48 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:09 pm  

JonB95 wrote:

Huddersfield crowds have dropped, but not by as much as I expected. I would guess they are making a lot more money than last year.

How much did you expect Huddersfield's attendances to drop this season considering they've already dropped by 21.21% so far?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:16 pm  

Wildthing wrote:

So, we shouldn't be congratulated for doing something to improve our attendances?
Jeez, you could put a negative spin on anything couldn't you really?

Sigh.

The question remains... what will happen when Wakefield stop selling heavily discounted season tickets in order to boost attendances where the cost of a SL game works out at less than £10 for adults, and in some cases less than £5? Bradford (attendances down by 22.16%) and Huddersfield (attendances down by 21.21%) suggest a similar reduction at Wakefield is inevitable.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:18 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Still only 4500 took up the option of the cheap season ticket, leaving just shy of 4000 walk ups in a antiquated ground with few comforts. I imagine it will be close to capacity tomorrow so that average should be boosted.

Any idea how many 16 to 25 year old's took up the offer of a £100 season ticket at Wakefield once the original hugely discounted season ticket offers had elapsed?

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:23 pm  

William Eve wrote:

During the current franchised, 14 club, top 8 play-off system SL era... the total attendances in SL to date are the lowest we have ever witnessed! Not even the replacement of the poorly-supported Crusaders with the better-supported Widnes or the establishment of 2 new stadia can prevent the 2013 SL attendances from being the worst on record so far.

SL Rounds 1 to 7 total attendances comparison (2009 to 2013)
SL 2013 - 413,407 from 48 fixtures.
SL 2012 - 461,061 from the same 48 fixtures.
SL 2011 - 428,564 from the same 48 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.
SL 2010 - 423,536 from the same 48 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.
SL 2009 - 426,126 from the same 48 fixtures, except replace Widnes with Crusaders.

Except, as you say, they arent the same 48 fixtures. Which is why you have to fudge them. We will have the complete set of figures. It makes no sense to pay attention to the incomplete set.

But even the cherry picked, incomplete figures you are using, still only show a difference between 2013 and 2011 of a huge 315 per game drop. I havent missed a figure out there, just in case you were actually worried, thats three hundred and fifteen. Phew, everyone can probably put away the shovels, stop building the fallout shelter in the basement, get rid of the stockpile of tinned food and potable water and tell the preppers thanks but no thanks. Fortunately it seems the world isnt ending.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:42 pm  

William Eve wrote:

How much did you expect Huddersfield's attendances to drop this season considering they've already dropped by 21.21% so far?

The Hull game was televised on a Saturday this year compared to a hot sunday afternoon last year, but that was a disappointment. The other 2 crowds were very similar to last years.