Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:37 pm  

Usually if you hold 3 of the four belts you can be considered the undisputed. Add to that the ring belt and being the lineal champ I think he can be called the undisputed champ

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:42 pm  

LifeLongHKRFan wrote:

I was thinking more last season when the young number 6 (Sutcliffe I think) was playing when Sinfield was dropped.

Sutcliffe played very well and McGuire was superb at the time. Plus it was known within the camp that Sinfield was finishing that season so it was a good opportunity to give Sutcliffe some game time.

Sinfield started in some very good performances for us this year too including 30 point winning margins over Hull, Huddersfield and Saints, the fantastic performance v Saints in the cup semi, the cup final and of course the final 3 games of the season v Huddersfield, Saints and Wigan.

I think you're looking back and seeing that we had a dip in form just after Sutcliffe's injury but that period coincided with a lot of injuries for Leeds and to important players for us like Aiton. The loss of him really affected our play, especially our attack and (along with injuries to our second rowers) our defence in the middle of the field.
Sinfield's kicking, game management and calm head are the reason we've won so many titles and is a major reason as to how we won the treble this year.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:47 pm  

shinymcshine wrote:

Surprised that Joe Root didn't make the list after being man of the series in The Ashes victory, maybe there's a BBC conspiracy against cricket since they lost the free to air broadcast rights.

Would guess he was in the 12 on Saturday afternoon....Fury must've taken someone's spot at the last minute.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:50 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

The current world rankings of the guys Murray beat in Davis Cup singles this year

10th
11th
15th
16th
18th
48th
80th
109th (that one was in the final)

Is that really that impressive when you take the GB specs off? The way they went on about it you'd think he beat a Serbian inspired Djokovic team or a Swiss side with Federer in it.....but he didn't

True, but then again Sinfield got to play Hull KR in the Challenge Cup Final.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:32 pm  

rollin thunder wrote: Yes he is. He has the most belts and is linear champ. Larry Holmes gave up his wbc belt in the 80's and took the Ibf belt but was still the linear and considered I disbuted champ. The undisputed champion, and lineal champion are not the same thing, there hasn't been an undisputed HW champion since Lennox Lewis beat Holyfield in 99, and surprisingly Larry Holmes was never the undisputed champion either. Undisputed champions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_u ... _champions Lineal champions (Ring magazine): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_T ... eavyweight

rollin thunder wrote: Yes he is. He has the most belts and is linear champ. Larry Holmes gave up his wbc belt in the 80's and took the Ibf belt but was still the linear and considered I disbuted champ. The undisputed champion, and lineal champion are not the same thing, there hasn't been an undisputed HW champion since Lennox Lewis beat Holyfield in 99, and surprisingly Larry Holmes was never the undisputed champion either. Undisputed champions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_u ... _champions Lineal champions (Ring magazine): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_T ... eavyweight

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:42 pm  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

True, but then again Sinfield got to play Hull KR in the Challenge Cup Final.

Yes but they had to beat Saints and Hudds on the way

HKR actually knocked out Wigan and Warrington, Belgium tennis didn't knock out Djokovic and Federer

The CC was only one of three pieces

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:59 pm  

tenerifeRhino wrote:

Usually if you hold 3 of the four belts you can be considered the undisputed.

Not the case.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:21 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

True, but if Wigan, Saints, Warrington and Hudds hadn't bothered competing in this year's SL would Leeds winning the treble been that impressive? Not saying he doesn't deserve praise for winning it but when rating it against others you have to consider the strength of the field the nominee was up against.

I think you’re been a bit disingenuous to the G.B. team, the four teams they played this year were at full strength, they didn’t play Serbia or Switzerland because they didn’t draw them.

But I do like your analogy regarding the likes of Wigan, St’s etc. This seasons S.L. has been similar to the Davis Cup. Leeds have swept all before them, as have the G.B. team. But next year G.B. will probably have to beat Serbia & Switzerland, whereas Leeds will still be playing the same old Belgians & Aussies of the S.L.World.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:42 pm  

I don't usually talk boxing out in non boxing forums as as their is usually very little knowledge about boxing.

But due to politics in boxing today it is virtually impossible to hold all 4 major belts at the same time so if you want to go by what Wikipedia says then other than a minor miracle there will never be an undisputed boxing champ ever again.

There is no rule book, if the boxer becomes widely accepted as the undisputed champ by the boxing public then he is. Especially if he holds 3 world titles, the ring and the lineal title.

Re: Sinfield - 1st ever RL player on the BBC SPOTY shortlist : Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:04 pm  

tenerifeRhino wrote:

I don't usually talk boxing out in non boxing forums as as their is usually very little knowledge about boxing.

But due to politics in boxing today it is virtually impossible to hold all 4 major belts at the same time so if you want to go by what Wikipedia says then other than a minor miracle there will never be an undisputed boxing champ ever again.

There is no rule book, if the boxer becomes widely accepted as the undisputed champ by the boxing public then he is. Especially if he holds 3 world titles, the ring and the lineal title.

Well, if Fury and Wilder meet in the next year, which they should, then we will have an Undisputed champ again.

The main reason we haven't had one since Lennox retired is that the Klitschko brothers have held various versions of the titles and have always refused to fight each other.