Re: The mad doctor : Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:20 pm  

broadybull87 wrote:

Im sorry i thought this was open to opinions, how wrong i could have been, was just going by what it looked like on TV, as the gantry is positioned on the large stand so all you see are the empty seats on the oppo stand, how many fans did saints take as the away stand was or a least seemed brimmed.

And i also said "may" which implies it is not a fact, so "may" have been half "may" have been more, so read up before you decide to jump on someone just to make a point.

If the team was the Manchester Devils they would get a lot more backing from the powers that be and also the people who watch, and the Dr would have not the same problems he is facing with him getting people backs up.

It's open to opinions but surely if you are going to take the time to log on to the internet to start holding court on Salford's 'poor support' you should take the five seconds to actually check what the crowd was? Instead you decided that our fans weren't turning up and Koukash may eventually decide not to bother based on what 'it looked like on TV.' For the record Saints brought around 1,500 which was a fine turnout. Again for the record, Salford's crowds so far have been 205% and 95% up on the same fixtures from last year.

As for the second part of your post on the Manchester Devils - how many times do we have to go down this road. Please let us hear your wisdom on why Salford would get a lot more backing and Koukash wouldn't get people's backs up if we were called Manchester. This should be good.

Re: The mad doctor : Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:18 pm  

Walshovski wrote:

As for the second part of your post on the Manchester Devils - how many times do we have to go down this road. Please let us hear your wisdom on why Salford would get a lot more backing and Koukash wouldn't get people's backs up if we were called Manchester. This should be good.

It would be as successful as trying to rebrand Saints, the Merseyside Saints to get more Liverpool fans!

[Kosh]

Re: The mad doctor : Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:19 pm  

Walshovski wrote:

Kosh - in light of the above can you please point us in the direction of these tweets of 'sneering derision' from Koukash?

A 6 page thread generated by Salford losing to St Helens. This board will explode when Widnes beat us next week.

Two points...

1. I never said the sneering derision was in the tweets. The stuff on Twitter is more infantile points-scoring and self-aggrandisement.
2. Do your own research.

The sneering derision was in an article on the Beeb:

"There are six teams to work on. The six teams that are there, apart from St Helens, are worried about their financial position and not being able to compete. But let's face it, they can't compete now. They are not spending the salary cap."

Factually inaccurate as well, since at least two of the 5 teams he so lightly dismisses are, in fact, spending full cap or thereabouts.

The rest of the article is a mixture of unthinking condescension and naive daydreaming.

Re: The mad doctor : Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:20 pm  

broadybull87 wrote:

Im sorry i thought this was open to opinions, how wrong i could have been, was just going by what it looked like on TV, as the gantry is positioned on the large stand so all you see are the empty seats on the oppo stand, how many fans did saints take as the away stand was or a least seemed brimmed.

And i also said "may" which implies it is not a fact, so "may" have been half "may" have been more, so read up before you decide to jump on someone just to make a point.

If the team was the Manchester Devils they would get a lot more backing from the powers that be and also the people who watch, and the Dr would have not the same problems he is facing with him getting people backs up.

I dont mind salford nor the Dr the game does need a flash guy who can shake it up, RL just seems to limp along with many afraid of expansion and those in the RFL just dont seem to be connected with the fanbase anymore with stupid ideas and crap marketing.

Of course its about opinions, but the attendance figure is not an OPINION it is a FACT that is vey easy to find online. Our crowds have improved this year without free or vastly reduced tickets being handed out which the club has been heavily reliant on in the past.

Manchester Devils is not a new idea and is usually ill informed comments having a cheap dig at Salford fans who have a proud identity. Why dont you merge with Keighley and re brand as White Rose Rovers.

Re: The mad doctor : Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:35 pm  

duke street 10 wrote:

just like some of the foreign owners in football he comes in throwing money around thinking he knows everything.

Rather than this Golden ticket farce he should plough his money into his academy...wouldn't Salford fans prefer to watch a team with 5 or 6 quality local lads in their side than the current holiday makers?

We have always had a decent academy set up considering our finances. At present there are lads like Walne, Owen and Sneyd plus Fages who came over from France at 16 who could become regulars provided they are given the opportunity. The problem the club has is the lack of local talent. We have a limited pool of local talent and that is including Swinton based Folly Lane. A lot of our sccouting and recruitment is done in areas such as Leigh and Oldham with competition from bigger clubs. The club has development work ongoing in Trafford and Manchester and there is kids in our academy se up from these areas but rugby league is is in the shadow of the football clubs. How do we get Salford kids playing rugby league and wanting to play for their local club. I would suggest a good start is to put a winning team out that is capable of winning trophies. Then the club should be able to sell the game to youngsters in local schools and amateurs clubs. The best young athletes in Salford and the surrounding area wanting to play rugby league would benefit not just the club but the sport.

Re: The mad doctor : Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:47 pm  

Kosh wrote:

The sneering derision was in an article on the Beeb:

Wow is that your best example of so called sneering derision? Quite tame for a 'swaggering loudmouth.'

Re: The mad doctor : Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:34 pm  

right said father ted wrote:

Manchester Devils is not a new idea and is usually ill informed comments having a cheap dig at Salford fans who have a proud identity. Why dont you merge with Keighley and re brand as White Rose Rovers.

I wasn't intending to have a dig at Salford if that how it came across i apologise, I was just meaning that as far as I remember since the mid 90's Salford have been thought of a small team but now the Dr wants to turn them into a big team and that's what many do not like even at the RFL, and not renaming the team but if they had been named Manchester right from the start from inception, not the renaming rubbish, teams are named from where they are from that should never change, didn't think I mentioned for them to be renamed but if I did again sorry.

Keighley would never go for that they are much better run than us, we can't get through 2 season without some major catastrophe of some sort.

Re: The mad doctor : Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:50 pm  

Talent Spotter wrote:

Wow is that your best example of so called sneering derision? Quite tame for a 'swaggering loudmouth.'

The insinuation that 6 teams can't see past their own capabilities, and can only vote for what's best for them, as opposed to what they think is best for the sport (as Saints, Huddersfield and hull fc did at least) just because their conclusion doesn't match his, is pretty derogatory.

It's basically saying, I'm right, and you'd agree if you were better - which is derision.

I struggle with how the doc presents himself, and how he constructs arguments. He doesn't leave room for the consideration he's wrong, which, if you can be swayed to his way of thinking, comes across as empassioned and bold, if you disagree with his particular argument, he's like nails on a chalkboard.

Re: The mad doctor : Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:16 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

The insinuation that 6 teams can't see past their own capabilities, and can only vote for what's best for them, as opposed to what they think is best for the sport (as Saints, Huddersfield and hull fc did at least) just because their conclusion doesn't match his, is pretty derogatory.

It's basically saying, I'm right, and you'd agree if you were better - which is derision.

I struggle with how the doc presents himself, and how he constructs arguments. He doesn't leave room for the consideration he's wrong, which, if you can be swayed to his way of thinking, comes across as empassioned and bold, if you disagree with his particular argument, he's like nails on a chalkboard.

He's a salesman that is like marmite......love him or hate him, SOME people are buying and he's running at the best Salford average gate average in SL to date and they are far better than last year.......you don't have to like him or his style and I think he has a lot to learn, but I'd give anything to have had him buy London!
It may end in tears but it won't be boring, that's for sure!

On the topic of buying other clubs marquee player tickets for £200k........he could pick up London broncos and Bradford for that.......the entire clubs that is!

Re: The mad doctor : Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:36 am  

gutterfax wrote:

He's a salesman that is like marmite......love him or hate him, SOME people are buying and he's running at the best Salford average gate average in SL to date and they are far better than last year.......you don't have to like him or his style and I think he has a lot to learn, but I'd give anything to have had him buy London!
It may end in tears but it won't be boring, that's for sure!

On the topic of buying other clubs marquee player tickets for £200k........he could pick up London broncos and Bradford for that.......the entire clubs that is!

The problem is for me is he's now a salesman trying to play a politicians game. He lacks the subtlety to make a refined argument required for real change in the game, and as a result, comes across as crass, arrogant and snide to those who don't buy into his vision. He needs to understand the opposite side of the argument before he will be able to implement change imo, and I'm not sure he can (owing to his brushing off of the clubs who voted against him as merely looking out for themselves and not the sport - I would challenge him to find anywhere a chairman that doesn't want the game to grow!)

I have uttermost respect for what he has done at Salford - no one can deny his sales ability. If he just stuck to Salford I think I'd find him a lot more likable.