Re: Kirk Yeaman : Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:54 pm  

DP_wwrlfc wrote:

Martin Gleeson is a complete different class to Yeaman as FC fans will soon workout for themselves. I rate Shenton and Bridge also above Yeaman and would also play Joel Tomkins there before him even though he has'nt completely adjusted to the centre position as he has the potential to be imo the best English centre by some distance. For the Exiles i'd go with ...

S Tomkins
Watkins
Shenton
J Tomkins
Briscoe

I dont think Gleeson will be playing again for England even though for me he's the best English centre we have. I rate Watkins and he looks a classy player but is'nt experienced enough or composed to play at centre yet he gets exposed way to often at centre.

You got there before me.

Now Gleeson is at Hull, Yeaman isn't Hulls best centre, let alone the best English centre in SL.

I also think that some of my fellow Hull fans are confusing the fact that Yeaman has scored a fair few tries with being in great form.

Within 30 minutes of his Debut against hkr, Gleeson showed how good he is, when he attacked the line for the try he got the defence didn't know which way he was going to go until it was too late.

Yeaman is all heart and commitment (for which there is nothing wrong and is credit to him). He is defencively very strong but prone to jumping out of the line too often and missing the man. With the ball he is strong but has limited passing skills and doesn't know how to step round a defender. He relies on bulldozing at the line, which against an organised defence will rarely reap dividends.

Atkins and Shenton for me for England.

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:24 pm  

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

Atkins and Shenton for me for England.

I really hoped Atkins could step up to international League but last year he was a major disappointment after a good domestic season. He is big, strong and fast but this just isn’t enough in the international game and he simply hasn’t got the skills in his game

As another poster has said, he may be a better choice on the wing internationally but I feel there is too much competition there in players who play wing week in week out

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:42 pm  

Briscoe has to be in. He is the closest thing we have to the type of outside backs the Aussies and New Zealand teams produce.
As much as i'd love to see him play for England, I dont think Kris Welham is strong or quick enough. Very good player at super league level but not international class. I like the winger from Huddersfield, but I think Charnley is a class act, as is Ben Jones - Bishop and was showing it before his unfortunate injury.

Tomkins

Charnley
Shenton
Bridge
Briscoe

Widdop
Brough

is how i'd go at this moment in time.

(also, how Fox is in the elite squad ill never know)

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:55 pm  

Alex Mc wrote:

Briscoe has to be in. He is the closest thing we have to the type of outside backs the Aussies and New Zealand teams produce.
As much as i'd love to see him play for England, I dont think Kris Welham is strong or quick enough. Very good player at super league level but not international class. I like the winger from Huddersfield, but I think Charnley is a class act, as is Ben Jones - Bishop and was showing it before his unfortunate injury.

Tomkins

Charnley
Shenton
Bridge
Briscoe

Widdop
Brough

is how i'd go at this moment in time.

(also, how Fox is in the elite squad ill never know)

I like that line up. I think that Charnley is a talented player but I would probably go for McGilvray at this stage

Interesting to compare the backline above to the one that contested the World Cup semi against New Zealand in 2008

Wellens
Gardner
Gleeson
Senior
Calderwood
McGuire
Burrow

I really do think that the potential 2011 backline above is much stronger in the wing positions and the centres are on a par to Gleeson and Senior but would service the wingers better and so make a better backline

Wellens has been a top quality Super League full back but has lacked the cutting edge (i.e. pace) to be international class

The half backs are closer to call but I think that a Brough/Widdop combination could work better at international level than McGuire and Burrow as the kicking game at least would be much stronger

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:05 pm  

Alex Mc wrote:

Briscoe has to be in. He is the closest thing we have to the type of outside backs the Aussies and New Zealand teams produce.
As much as i'd love to see him play for England, I dont think Kris Welham is strong or quick enough. Very good player at super league level but not international class. I like the winger from Huddersfield, but I think Charnley is a class act, as is Ben Jones - Bishop and was showing it before his unfortunate injury.

Tomkins

Charnley
Shenton
Bridge
Briscoe

Widdop
Brough

is how i'd go at this moment in time.

(also, how Fox is in the elite squad ill never know)

That is potentially a very strong backline though I would probably put McGillivary ahead of Charnley at this stage.

Broughs kicking game is essential in the International arena.

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Sun May 01, 2011 6:24 am  

barton baird wrote:

Not letting your Rovers bias towards him allowing to slip in there?

Not at all, not got real pace, has struggled to put his winger away, never really seen any quality footwork from him as he generally just barges his way over the line, jumps out of the line a fair but but he does make good one on one tackles.

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

Now Gleeson is at Hull, Yeaman isn't Hulls best centre, let alone the best English centre in SL.

Your not wrong!

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Sun May 01, 2011 10:31 am  

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

You got there before me.

Now Gleeson is at Hull, Yeaman isn't Hulls best centre, let alone the best English centre in SL.

I also think that some of my fellow Hull fans are confusing the fact that Yeaman has scored a fair few tries with being in great form.

Within 30 minutes of his Debut against hkr, Gleeson showed how good he is, when he attacked the line for the try he got the defence didn't know which way he was going to go until it was too late.

Yeaman is all heart and commitment (for which there is nothing wrong and is credit to him). He is defencively very strong but prone to jumping out of the line too often and missing the man. With the ball he is strong but has limited passing skills and doesn't know how to step round a defender. He relies on bulldozing at the line, which against an organised defence will rarely reap dividends.

Atkins and Shenton for me for England.

Yes, because Atkins is the best centre at Warrington? He hasn't even got a starting squad number, he's behind Bridge and King in the pecking order! Atkins is a turnstile.

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Mon May 02, 2011 10:13 am  

Fullback: Billy Slater (Melbourne Storm)
Wing: Brett Morris (St George Illawarra Dragons)
Centre: Greg Inglis (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
Centre: Justin Hodges (Brisbane Broncos)
Wing: Jharal Yow Yeh (Brisbane Broncos)
Five-eighth: Darren Lockyer (c) (Brisbane Broncos)
Halfback: Johnathan Thurston (North Qld Cowboys)


just to put things in perspective

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Mon May 02, 2011 10:18 am  

Alex Mc wrote:

Fullback: Billy Slater (Melbourne Storm)
Wing: Brett Morris (St George Illawarra Dragons)
Centre: Greg Inglis (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
Centre: Justin Hodges (Brisbane Broncos)
Wing: Jharal Yow Yeh (Brisbane Broncos)
Five-eighth: Darren Lockyer (c) (Brisbane Broncos)
Halfback: Johnathan Thurston (North Qld Cowboys)


just to put things in perspective

We'll 5hit 'em!!!

Re: Kirk Yeaman : Mon May 02, 2011 10:24 am  

I thought Idris might play on the right with Inglis on the left. That is potentially even more scary.