Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:34 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Several reasons? Really? Care to try list several different reasons that he has offered?

Ticket prices going back up after heavy discounting.
Top 8 playoffs reducing interest in regular season.

You may not agree with either, but he's made those points many times.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:45 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

Ticket prices going back up after heavy discounting.
Top 8 playoffs reducing interest in regular season.

You may not agree with either, but he's made those points many times.

Let it be known, several now means 2!

And he's just knocked Wakefield for cheaper tickets

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:02 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Seriously Billy?
Wakey are to be congratulated for their "long term" plans to increase attendances in the hope that the year on year growth becomes organic and when the prices creep back up, the crowds will continue to grow...especially in their new stadium.

It is a concern that attendances seem to be slipping slightly and your updates are fine, but knocking Wakey for attempting to "buck the trend" is churlish at best and class C trolling at worst.

Its par for the course mate.

On the whole though Trinity's attendances have been on a gradual increase since about 2004.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:38 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

:lol: Let it be known, several now means 2!

And he's just knocked Wakefield for cheaper tickets

Because it is potentially unsustainable

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:08 am  

Starbug wrote:

Because it is potentially unsustainable

Yes and for the last 12 months I've seen him trying to argue on the Leeds site that fans should get more matches for free on a season ticket, he thinks getting 13 games for the price of 11 isn't good enough and said it was better 'back in the day' when you got more 'free' games on a Season Ticket.......so excuse me if don't fall for his hypocrisy and garbage like some clearly have.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:44 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yes and for the last 12 months I've seen him trying to argue on the Leeds site that fans should get more matches for free on a season ticket, he thinks getting 13 games for the price of 11 isn't good enough and said it was better 'back in the day' when you got more 'free' games on a Season Ticket.......so excuse me if don't fall for his hypocrisy and garbage like some clearly have.

Why is it knocking Wakefield? If we're trying to understand what's the general state of things re. attendance, its good to know who's heavily discounting. Not because its a good or bad strategy ( totally depends on circumstances and what your plan is, but would seem to make sense for Wakefield) but because its good to try and understand where we're at with respect to 'real' prices. As has been pointed out, the minute Huddersfield prices went up, attendance dropped.

As you often point out, W. Eve. has an "agenda" - his thesis being that attendances are falling because of structural problems. Local increases due to heavy discounting don't undermine that thesis and he's entitled to point that out. Other things may undermine it, that's fine, make the point, but if we say "hah, you're wrong, look at Wakefield" its a fair response to say "no, you can't count that, because look what happens when discounting stops, my argument is that the fundamentals are wrong meaning drops in attendance at 'real' prices "

P.S. you just added a third..."not enough free games on season ticket". Several: more than two but not many. Thanks for the help there.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:07 am  

RLBandit wrote:

Why is it knocking Wakefield? If we're trying to understand what's the general state of things re. attendance, its good to know who's heavily discounting. Not because its a good or bad strategy ( totally depends on circumstances and what your plan is, but would seem to make sense for Wakefield) but because its good to try and understand where we're at with respect to 'real' prices. As has been pointed out, the minute Huddersfield prices went up, attendance dropped.

As you often point out, W. Eve. has an "agenda" - his thesis being that attendances are falling because of structural problems. Local increases due to heavy discounting don't undermine that thesis and he's entitled to point that out. Other things may undermine it, that's fine, make the point, but if we say "hah, you're wrong, look at Wakefield" its a fair response to say "no, you can't count that, because look what happens when discounting stops, my argument is that the fundamentals are wrong meaning drops in attendance at 'real' prices "

P.S. you just added a third..."not enough free games on season ticket". Several: more than two but not many. Thanks for the help there.

Huddersfield crowds have dropped, but not by as much as I expected. I would guess they are making a lot more money than last year.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:53 am  

William Eve wrote:

Yes, well done to Wakey home attendances on the back of adult season tickets costing £125 (less than £10 per game), young person 16-21 season tickets costing £50 (less than £4 a game) and junior season tickets costing £25 (less than £2 per game). It remains to be seen what their home attendances will be like when those hugely discounted prices are withdrawn.

Still only 4500 took up the option of the cheap season ticket, leaving just shy of 4000 walk ups in a antiquated ground with few comforts. I imagine it will be close to capacity tomorrow so that average should be boosted.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:27 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

Why is it knocking Wakefield? If we're trying to understand what's the general state of things re. attendance, its good to know who's heavily discounting. Not because its a good or bad strategy ( totally depends on circumstances and what your plan is, but would seem to make sense for Wakefield) but because its good to try and understand where we're at with respect to 'real' prices. As has been pointed out, the minute Huddersfield prices went up, attendance dropped.

As you often point out, W. Eve. has an "agenda" - his thesis being that attendances are falling because of structural problems. Local increases due to heavy discounting don't undermine that thesis and he's entitled to point that out. Other things may undermine it, that's fine, make the point, but if we say "hah, you're wrong, look at Wakefield" its a fair response to say "no, you can't count that, because look what happens when discounting stops, my argument is that the fundamentals are wrong meaning drops in attendance at 'real' prices "

P.S. you just added a third..."not enough free games on season ticket". Several: more than two but not many. Thanks for the help there.

Not quite as simple as that , if you are comparing 2013 to 2012 then wakefields ST s are actually 25% higher than last years.
Albeit still discounted.

Re: Opening SL weekend sees attendances tumbling by 12.66% : Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:13 pm  

RLBandit wrote:

Why is it knocking Wakefield? If we're trying to understand what's the general state of things re. attendance, its good to know who's heavily discounting. Not because its a good or bad strategy ( totally depends on circumstances and what your plan is, but would seem to make sense for Wakefield) but because its good to try and understand where we're at with respect to 'real' prices. As has been pointed out, the minute Huddersfield prices went up, attendance dropped.

Yes it is good to know, but he chose to conviently ignore the discounts offered in 2012, 2011 or any other previous years to push his agenda. The main problem is that he hasn't even remotely ''try and understand'' about attendances, that you and some others can't see that is baffling.

RLBandit wrote:

As you often point out, W. Eve. has an "agenda" - his thesis being that attendances are falling because of structural problems. Local increases due to heavy discounting don't undermine that thesis and he's entitled to point that out. Other things may undermine it, that's fine, make the point, but if we say "hah, you're wrong, look at Wakefield" its a fair response to say "no, you can't count that, because look what happens when discounting stops, my argument is that the fundamentals are wrong meaning drops in attendance at 'real' prices "

If he wants to present a PROPER argument about attendances he needs to provides both sides of the story, he continuously choses not to and goes for the negative spin on things. When I (or others) provide the other side, yourself and others, label us as RFL & Nigel Wood lovers simply because you don't want to hear anything other than the bad side of things. People have said ''no, you can't count Saints, Salford etc.'' but has that stopped him or his 'followers'.......No, so you can't then turn around and ask us to do what you fail to do, it's yet again more hypocrisy.

RLBandit wrote:

P.S. you just added a third..."not enough free games on season ticket". Several: more than two but not many. Thanks for the help there.

That reason came from different threads so you can't claim that as ''he's given several reasons'' on this particular thread, he simply hasn't........it's also fundamentally contradictory to his remarks about Wakey making games more affordable, and he wasn't properly questioning or reasoning Wakey's prices, he was sarcastically knocking their improved attendance figures. So really the ONLY and SOLE reason he has given on this thread for lower attendances is PLAYOFF FORMAT.........it's lazy, incorrect, inaccurate, poor, pathetic, negative, agenda driven rubbish that he hopes will get enough people to drink the kool-aid with him. Seems he has a few gullible followers unfortunately!