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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:37 pm  
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Greater Manchester Police to talk to RFL, St Helens Officals & Crown Prosecution Service if appropriate before deciding if any action to be taken against Wigan's Ben Flower
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:39 pm  
As a Saints fan I'd concur with Hohaia's viewpoint. It's over and done with, Flower will cop an 8 week ban and everyone should move on

No need for anything else to be done or said
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:47 pm  
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As a Saints fan I'd concur with Hohaia's viewpoint. It's over and done with, Flower will cop an 8 week ban and everyone should move on

No need for anything else to be done or said

Sanity!
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:19 pm  
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As a Saints fan I'd concur with Hohaia's viewpoint. It's over and done with, Flower will cop an 8 week ban and everyone should move on

No need for anything else to be done or said


It'll be more than 8 weeks in my opinion. Otherwise, the press will be on the RFL's case.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:30 pm  
Would any ban include pre season games and The World Club Challenge series?. If Yes then Flower could be back by early April couldn't he?.

While doing my best not to join in the witch hunt it would annoy me a lot if we have pictures of Flower celebrating at say, Wembley next season. If Hock got 7 games for pushing an official then Flower has to be looking at a double figure ban.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:30 pm  
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This running story about Wigan's tactics, if true, ought to be backed up by some statistics. Do Wigan get more Red and Yellow cards? Do teams statistically suffer more injuries against Wigan? I genuinely have no idea. If the answer is yes, you may have a point. Some 'anorak' (meant in the nicest possible way, I promise) might be able to dig these numbers out?


I'm not sure they even track stats for number of players injured to be honest. You don't need statistical proof either when you've got clear evidence of both the action (Flower) and the intent (Wane team talk video).
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:38 pm  
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I'm not sure they even track stats for number of players injured to be honest. You don't need statistical proof either when you've got clear evidence of both the action (Flower) and the intent (Wane team talk video).

That proves it then, congratulations Poirot.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:41 pm  
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As a Saints fan I'd concur with Hohaia's viewpoint. It's over and done with, Flower will cop an 8 week ban and everyone should move on

No need for anything else to be done or said


I'm not sure on that. Hitting someone who is out cold on the floor and not defending himself is unforgiveable. It's not a normal run of the mill disciplinary incident like we debate on here during and after every Sky game. It's worse for the reasons we've been over again and again over the 60 pages.

The ban for Flower needs to set an example. Aggression is fine, a bit of biff is fine (Although they can't actively promote it for obvious reasons). Hitting an unconscious man is beyond the line IMO, it's too much. People mocked me on here when I said it could have killed him, but it's true. You get a medical professional on here and ask them if hitting an unconscious man whilst he's lay on the floor is a safe thing to do and he'd have a lot to say.

Very gracious from Leneghan on Sky tonight. He called it the right decision to give him an F and that it was an exceptional event. I'd agree with that, I've seen nothing like it in 30 years of watching the sport. He also said it wasn't the actions he wants to ever see from a Wigan player or a rugby league player.

I think the RFL should give him an exceptional ban to show the sport is dealing properly with the incident. 9 months/14 games something of that nature, not career ending but enough to show the world it's not being taken lightly and showing Flower and other players both amateur and professional that there is a line than should not be crossed. If anything that may aid Flower avoid potential Police action, which it seems is already happening. One thing pressure from the media does is force governing bodies to be seen to act appropriately and few could argue if Flower was charged over this. It's not a normal sporting incident and several sports would have already banned him for life by now.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:53 pm  
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Very gracious from Leneghan on Sky tonight. He called it the right decision to give him an F and that it was an exceptional event.

Did the interviewer ask him about the video of Wane's old half-time talk that's doing the rounds and has been picked up by the Press? If so, how did he answer?
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:57 pm  
Dally wrote:
Did the interviewer ask him about the video of Wane's old half-time talk that's doing the rounds and has been picked up by the Press? If so, how did he answer?


No matter what the wigans fans say about it meaning nothing being edited yadda yadda it still paints an abhorrent picture of the club when you combine that clip with flowers actions at the weekend.
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