Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:05 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Nah, Charnley is a professional. It is incumbent on him to control himself enough not to be grabbing a referee.

Amateur refs dont have 15 camera's there to decode whether the player grabbed them aggressively or passively, whether it was a grab or a punch, a barge or a push, the level of contact, the level of aggression. They are protected by the idea touching them is strictly prohibited, no if, buts or maybes, a strict liability offence.

Indeed, so a harsher punishment then than in the pro game where intent and seriousness can be judged? And of course in the pro game the referee is, ultimately, safe. If a pro player went crazy and tried to assault a ref he would be restrained and the ref would be protected by other players and officials. That isn't the case in the amateur game.

SmokeyTA wrote:

Giving Charnley a slap on the wrist destroys that. I think its crazy to expect that minimising the punishment at pro level wont send out a message of increasing acceptability.

I don't think it's crazy at all. Amateur players don't look at what happens in SL disciplinary meetings and think "oh well I won't do this" or "I will do that". It's the discipline in the amateur game that deters or encourages behaviour.

As I said, we have different expectations of the players because they are playing for different reasons and in a very different context. That's why we shouldn't punish a fight at pro level as harshly as one at amateur level.

But the point is that the pro game disciplinary should be there for the pro game, not as a way of attempting to regulate the amateur game. That's what the amateur game disciplinary is for. The 2 are very different beasts and the biggest single issue with the amateur game is that far, far too many people in it attempt to liken it to the pro game.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:20 pm  

Him wrote:

Indeed, so a harsher punishment then than in the pro game where intent and seriousness can be judged? And of course in the pro game the referee is, ultimately, safe. If a pro player went crazy and tried to assault a ref he would be restrained and the ref would be protected by other players and officials. That isn't the case in the amateur game.

indeed. There is no record for an amateur ref. A player could of course deny it. So could his team-mates and mates in the crowd. He could claim the referee is massively over-reacting, that it was accidental. He could forward a million and one mitigating circumstances that can't be disproven.

I don't think it's crazy at all. Amateur players don't look at what happens in SL disciplinary meetings and think "oh well I won't do this" or "I will do that". It's the discipline in the amateur game that deters or encourages behaviour.

As I said, we have different expectations of the players because they are playing for different reasons and in a very different context. That's why we shouldn't punish a fight at pro level as harshly as one at amateur level.

But the point is that the pro game disciplinary should be there for the pro game, not as a way of attempting to regulate the amateur game. That's what the amateur game disciplinary is for. The 2 are very different beasts and the biggest single issue with the amateur game is that far, far too many people in it attempt to liken it to the pro game.

The pro game is highest and most visible aspect of our game. it is the part of the game which shows the world what type of game we want to be, and im comfortable that the game we want to be is one where idiots cannot take out their frustrations on referees.

Also, i have no issues with amateurs getting more but it maks no sense for a 4-6 game punishment at amateur level to be a sinbinning at pro level

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:02 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Also, i have no issues with amateurs getting more but it maks no sense for a 4-6 game punishment at amateur level to be a sinbinning at pro level

I think it does make sense when you separate the 2. We almost have to think of the 2 (the amateur and the pro game) as 2 different sports. They have (or should have) very different priorities, expectations, risks etc.

In that case I think it seems reasonable to have very different punishment levels, I also think it (seperate it from the pro game) is something we have to do if we want to get the most out of the amateur game.

I agree with everything else you put though.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:07 pm  

Both Tautai and Charnley appealed.

Tautai's ban reduced to one game, Charnley's appeal rejected.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:34 pm  

old frightful wrote:

Both Tautai and Charnley appealed.

Tautai's ban reduced to one game, Charnley's appeal rejected.

Do Wigan ever accept the original decision? They seem to appeal every verdict

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:36 pm  

The RFL don't like Wigan , Charnley's ban not being reduced terrible , won't be able to field a team next week !

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:37 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Do Wigan ever accept the original decision? They seem to appeal every verdict

No and why not ?

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:42 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Do Wigan ever accept the original decision? They seem to appeal every verdict

Can't blame them. Why shouldn't they appeal?

It's the spineless cowards at the RFL who are to blame. Far too often recently have we seen things changed, downgraded,overturned,etc. Just make a decision and stick to it.

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:45 pm  

Brilliant

Re: Any chance for the disciplinary panel to redeem themsel : Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:54 pm  

Tricky2309 wrote:

Do Wigan ever accept the original decision? They seem to appeal every verdict

You don't ask you don't get.

Wouldn't have grumbled had the Tautai appeal been turned down, I'm not a fan of those tackles.