Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:09 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

There are posters here who would have you believe in the sanctity of the RL numbers but for some reason, they are happy to question the Union ones ......Insecurity must be catching

There was one regular season SL fixture last season where I questioned the attendance - that was the Catalans V Hull KR game in Toulouse. An agenda was being played out that day along with a propaganda message at one end of the stadium which was empty of fans, apart from a large banner spread out saying "Toulouse for Super League".

I don't take any interest in Union attendances but that bloke from Dubai who finds simple things complicated appears ever so keen today to display his ignorance on so many subject matters, I didn't want to let him down

Those Union attendance figures which I compiled are a surprise to me. I had an idea that Aviva Premiership attendances were higher than those in Super League, but only marginally, and certainly not as much as over 47% higher on average!

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:35 pm  

William Eve wrote:

I had an idea that Aviva Premiership attendances were higher than those in Super League, but only marginally, and certainly not as much as over 47% higher on average!

....ah, but not if you remove those "event games" as well as double headers, take Leicester Tigers away from the equation and ignore games that kick off at 3pm on a Saturday...then they are not as big at all. Then, if you remove all the middle and upper middle class wankers who went to public school who pay over 50 quid each to go to Twickenham, as well as ignoring all the millions of people who tune in to watch the 6 nations, you can convince yourself that Rugby League is more popular as far as the British Public think and not a Northern Hobby played by pit towns along a motorway as well as by an invitational side from London and one from France!

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:37 am  

dubairl wrote:

is that a kiwiism?

you have just proven my point. They don't get big crowds at club level but they do at international level because they see it as an event and not a religion like rugby league fans. As the majority of those 81k don't have season tickets and follow club teams around all season they can afford to pay 50quid a ticket. Also population of down south compared to north? And Aviva premiership attendance figures are nowhere near super league figures, they are massively inflated for what ever reason on there reports I watch a lot of union on tv and used to play a fair bit. Also yes people do like to socialize at there local rugby club a bit like they love to socialize at Twickenham.

are you seriously saying the reason club level rugby doesn't draw big crowds is because there still not used to being professional? just because the players never used to get paid the fans still used to pay memberships and entrances fees the club was still ran as a business.

Leicester Tigers crowds wee all over most SL crowds chump. Wash your flat cap.

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:39 am  

Lebron James wrote:

Why does rugby league need to attract a higher social class of spectators anyway? :S

Regards

King James

So, according to you, the game should remain in the bowels of low socio-economic sub-culture of British society? Sorry chump, we don't all holiday in Benidorm and watch Big Brother......

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:43 am  

Lebron James wrote:

Rugby union has a higher average attendence at club level than rugby league.

Sad but true.

Regards

King James

RU has a much higher caliber of personnel supporting the game too. That is why RU is much cash rich. Not hard to work out is it?

RL - has an image of flat caps, £1 shops and dumb pork pie eating fat northerners who love holidaying in the cultural hub of Benidorm...

RU - has a much more sophisticated image of culture, wine, arts and enjoys the more intricate holiday destinations of Spain (away from the tackiness)....

PS, I prefer RL as a sport but am starting to resent the stupid sub-culture RL has. The NRL is the only way out.

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:44 am  

William Eve wrote:

Home attendance averages last completed season (SL 2013 & Aviva Premiership 2012-13)
1. Leicester Tigers - 256,687/11 = 23,335
2. Harlequins - 219,631/11 = 19,966
3. Saracens - 200,871/11 = 18,261
4. Leeds Rhinos - 197,556/13 = 15,197
5. Wigan - 189,084/13 = 14,545
6. Gloucester - 154,404/11 = 14,037
7. Northampton - 140,414/11 = 12,765
8. London Wasps - 129,644/11 = 11,786
9. Hull FC - 151,843/13 = 11,680
10. Bath - 126,681/11 = 11,516
11. St Helens - 147,483/13 = 11,345
12. Warrington - 138,232/13 = 10,633
13. London Irish - 104,181/11 = 9,471
14. Worcester - 102,370/11 = 9,306
15. Bradford Bulls - 111,320/13 = 8,563
16. Catalans - 108,719/13 = 8,363
17. Exeter - 91,608/11 = 8,328
18. Wakefield - 103,635/13 = 7,972
19. Hull KR - 97,430/13 = 7,495
20. Sale - 80,201/11 = 7,291
21. Huddersfield - 82,790/13 = 6,368
22. Castleford - 81,979/13 = 6,306
23. Widnes - 78,191/13 = 6,015
24. London Welsh - 55,990/11 = 5,090
25. Salford - 40,622/13 = 3,125
26. London Broncos - 28,775/13 = 2,213

Super League Total & Average (2013) = 1,557,659/182 = 8,559
Aviva Premiership Total & Average (2012-13) = 1,662,682/132 = 12,596

Good work! SHOCK HORROR - RL in denial......

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:57 am  

Re an earlier point about introducing RL into schools (especially here in the South) and setting up leagues. This was done a few years ago by Shane Rampling the player/coach of St.Albans Centurions (now coaching back in Australia)
He along with others really helped introduced RL to the Hatfield/St.Albans area which had previously being dominated by onion and with the help of the club have an established juniors section as well as the schools participating regularly.
Same thing with Hemel also. Medway Dragons are a superb example of what can be achieved in a relatively short space of time, but without further support nor a higher echelon club there is often a drop off or no further progress..vicious circle really
The Southern regions do have a taste for Rl, it just needs constant backing by the RFL in a way that makes sense..not their strong point sadly

We had the St.Albans cents minis along with the Verulamium schoolboys leading out the England & NZ teams at wembley , organised by Gary Tetlow (co-founder of St.Albans cents) he was the leading force behind the 800 tickets sales for the RLWC just from the club alone including many whom had never gone to a game of rugby..period

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:15 am  

I'm in the affluent classes and a RL fan, we are out there!

TBH looking at price of tickets to RL game in UK and Oz I think you have to be reasonably affluent to watch any sport live these days!

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:30 am  

JB Down Under wrote:

I'm in the affluent classes and a RL fan, we are out there!

TBH looking at price of tickets to RL game in UK and Oz I think you have to be reasonably affluent to watch any sport live these days!

Actually I'd disagree, if you live within say a 5 mile radius of your team (& a very high % of RL fans do) then paying £20-25 every other week (say £12/week or even cheaper with a season pass) with maybe the odd away game isn't THAT expensive.
It's the equivalent of 5 pints of beer a week, or 3 pints if you live in the home counties..lol. Cigarettes are what, £7/packet almost, so 2 packs of fags and that's your ticket right there...
For the ladies a season ticket can be spent in about 3 or 4 sessions down the salon..
Yes for some people they have higher priorities, I get that, and for some they just cannot afford to go that often no matter what they do.
But i'd confidently say that a fair % of people spend their money on other things that are completely and utterly meaningless or do actual damage to their body when they could actually have a good social day out watching their team...win or lose.
RL is for life, you can't walk away no matter how disgruntled you get with the game or the idiots in charge nor matter how badly your team are doing. You go because it's in your blood and you bloody well love it, and getting other folk from other backgrounds to go watch it because it is so good is a part of that because you want to share how great our game is

Can't wait for the new season now

Re: What is the RFL doing to attract the affluent classes? : Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:41 am  

Australia has finally woken up to how sht RU is, its only a matter of time till the rest of the world follow us!