Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:54 pm  

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Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:11 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

The only major issue I see with the new system is the resetting of points after the split for the middle tier.

Magic Super Beetle has suggested that maybe more advantageous home ties for the higher placed teams could balance this out. Or maybe the highest placed SL1 team getting to play all the championship clubs first. So giving them the advantage of racking up points against the 'easier' sides.

I still think a 9th placed team would be extremely unlucky to get relegated. I just can't forsee it, especially given they will be likely spending £1.5 - £1.8 million compared to those spending £900k tops.

Thats just it though, if they lose to 3 othe Sl sides and at least one championship one, they deserve to go down. But as you say, given that a team in 9th (think it was HullKR last year) will be a hald decent side, they're very unlikely to lose to evry team that they came above in the SL and a championship side as well.
The system is quite good as for a championship club to get promoted, they dont just have to be consistantly good in their league, they Have to beat SL opposition as well.

Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:15 pm  

Don't forget, in the middle tier 4 v 5 playoff for the fourth promotion spot. To be automatically relegated you'd need to finish below not one but at least two champ teams.

Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:16 pm  

The second twelve should, if they can afford operate with the same salary cap as the first twelve otherwise it's a stacked competition. Say for instance Batley get a beneafactor that enables them to buy far better players and can easily compete salary wise with Leeds why should they have to operate with a lower cap.

Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:19 pm  

Liversedge Wildcat wrote:

The second twelve should, if they can afford operate with the same salary cap as the first twelve otherwise it's a stacked competition. Say for instance Batley get a beneafactor that enables them to buy far better players and can easily compete salary wise with Leeds why should they have to operate with a lower cap.

If the whole of the second 12 could then this would be fair enough, but as it stands the competition is going to be stacked somewhere. With the amount of money coming in now it just isn't going to work how you suggest.

Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:42 pm  

What about quota rules, how will they work?

Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:07 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I still think a 9th placed team would be extremely unlucky to get relegated. I just can't forsee it, especially given they will be likely spending £1.5 - £1.8 million compared to those spending £900k tops.

then what's the point in them being in it?

Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:11 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

then what's the point in them being in it?

Because people would complain if there were 9 teams in "the playoffs"?

I agree 9th falls into the awkward category of not good enough for the playoffs but probably too good for relegation. In an ideal world 1 - 8 would continue to compete and 11 and 12 have a playoff with the championship clubs.

Unfortunately that would leave 9 and 10 only playing 23 games which has been deemed not enough financially.

Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:21 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Because people would complain if there were 9 teams in "the playoffs"?

I agree 9th falls into the awkward category of not good enough for the playoffs but probably too good for relegation. In an ideal world 1 - 8 would continue to compete and 11 and 12 have a playoff with the championship clubs.

Unfortunately that would leave 9 and 10 only playing 23 games which has been deemed not enough financially.

Seems like an inherent flaw in the system. If the 9th and 10th teams are going to be comfortably good enough to stay up, then their games are likely to be blowouts, almost certainly against the 3rd and 4th placed sides.

Re: Today's big decision : Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:25 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Seems like an inherent flaw in the system. If the 9th and 10th teams are going to be comfortably good enough to stay up, then their games are likely to be blowouts, almost certainly against the 3rd and 4th placed sides.

I think every system will have flaws, no doubt, but then the reality is, if a club is looking for promotion they're going to need to be able to play teams far better than 9th, so they might as well test themselves. This isn't of benefit to the team finished 9th - but then reward those who finish in the top half of the table!