Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:50 pm  

christopher wrote:

Which was an over reaction to something that Ben Flower did, something you refuse to acknowledge.

And an elbow versus a forearm does make a difference.

I haven't refused to acknowledge that LH was reacting, I just disagreed with what he was reacting to, vis, "a punch in the back of the head". As I've said before I condemn Flower's reaction and support the punishment he has, and will, receive. What I disagree with is the notion that this was part of an instruction or gameplan and that this proves anything about Wigan as a club. Flower didn't do this under instruction, he did it as an idiotic over reaction.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:51 pm  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

Talk about splitting hairs. Whether it's a forearm or elbow it's illegal. Nobody said it justifies what follows, but plenty of people refuse to believe it happened at all, hence the post. Some people simply want to believe that Ben Flower did this totally unprovoked as instructed by his coach, rather than as an idiotic over reaction to something Hoahai did.

Whoever believes that Hohaia didn't play some part in the altercation is wrong. He is clearly involved, and at fault for making contact with Flower near the Saint's try-line.
However, he is not to blame, at fault or responsible for Flower choosing to punch him whilst he was unconscious on the floor.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:52 pm  

Starbug wrote:

AGAIN THICKO FLOWER HIT HOHIA ON THE BACK OF THE HEAD 1 st

I disagree. Sorry that has the effect on you that it does. Perhaps if you could form a coherent argument instead of this adolescent rage you might convince me.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:53 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Turn your caps lock off man, you're just making yourself look silly with all these SHOUTING POSTS TO TRY AND GET YOUR POINT ACROSS BECAUSE YOU'RE FAILING OTHERWISE.

AGAIN, BEING SHOUTED AT IN THE ONLY THING THICK WIGANERS UNDERSTAND, AS PER SHAUN WANE

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:54 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Whoever believes that Hohaia didn't play some part in the altercation is wrong. He is clearly involved, and at fault for making contact with Flower near the Saint's try-line.
However, he is not to blame, at fault or responsible for Flower choosing to punch him whilst he was unconscious on the floor.

I agree 100%.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:56 pm  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

I disagree. Sorry that has the effect on you that it does. Perhaps if you could form a coherent argument instead of this adolescent rage you might convince me.

Ask your mate Cronus, he suggested it wasnt a head shot, just a swinging arm over the shoulder, obviously aimed at Hohia's knees then

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:56 pm  

Starbug wrote:

AGAIN, BEING SHOUTED AT IN THE ONLY THING THICK WIGANERS UNDERSTAND, AS PER SHAUN WANE

And shouting is the only way thick Leigh fans can try to get their point across.

Excited for half-term are you?

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:58 pm  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

I agree 100%.

I'd love to know what Wane said to his players in the pre-match team talk though (not that anyone ever will).

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:01 pm  

TheElectricGlidingWarrior wrote:

I haven't refused to acknowledge that LH was reacting, I just disagreed with what he was reacting to, vis, "a punch in the back of the head". As I've said before I condemn Flower's reaction and support the punishment he has, and will, receive. What I disagree with is the notion that this was part of an instruction or gameplan and that this proves anything about Wigan as a club. Flower didn't do this under instruction, he did it as an idiotic over reaction.

I personally don't like the way Wane and Wigan go about there business, I've heard rumours (just rumours mind!) that Wane sometimes gives players a list of the opponants injuries to target them, and has can be clearly seen on the WCC documentary Wane definitely like his teams to play the rough stuff and win at whatever cost. Now having said that do I think Wane instructed Flower to do what he did to LH, no, of course not, do I think he will have told his team to target Saints only halfback for some attention' yes I would think he did all IMO opinions of course.

I was delighted last night that Saints won as I say, I'm not a fan of how Wigan play and neither of Wane and how he coaches.

Re: Ben Flower : Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:02 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

And shouting is the only way thick Leigh fans can try to get their point across.

Excited for half-term are you?

Your team and coach have brought RL into disrepute again, and yet unlike those of you who understand that are keeping quiet on it, some of you are ridiculously trying to somehow defend it

No excuses