Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:15 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

Leeds are further towards the quantity than the quality though, do you not agree with that?

How many players of the quality of Sam Burgess or Jamie Peacock have Leeds produced?

Or any centres as good as Atkins?

Or any halves as good as Pryce?

Or (at his peak) any props as good as Fielden?

no, i dont, i think its nonsense, i think they have produced three halves as good as Pryce (or at least in the same bracket regardless of any whose better tit-for-tat) in Sinfield, Mcguire and Burrow, all Britain internationals

Diskin and Terry Newton are Leeds trained international hookers,

Lee Smith played at centre ahead of Atkins last year and i would argue at his peak Chev Walker was a better player than Atkins is right now, a bit of revisionism on going on with him right now

not to mention comfortably the best british winger produced by an SL club in a long while in Hall imo, with two other international wingers in Smith and Calderwood

Bailey, Carvell, Fozzard, Ward, JJB all international forwards, and im almost certain Scruton will some day join them

At his peak Adrian Morley was easily the equal of Fielden, and likely Peacock

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:31 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

no, i dont, i think its nonsense, i think they have produced three halves as good as Pryce (or at least in the same bracket regardless of any whose better tit-for-tat) in Sinfield, Mcguire and Burrow, all Britain internationals

Diskin and Terry Newton are Leeds trained international hookers,

Lee Smith played at centre ahead of Atkins last year and i would argue at his peak Chev Walker was a better player than Atkins is right now, a bit of revisionism on going on with him right now

not to mention comfortably the best british winger produced by an SL club in a long while in Hall imo, with two other international wingers in Smith and Calderwood

Bailey, Carvell, Fozzard, Ward, JJB all international forwards, and im almost certain Scruton will some day join them

At his peak Adrian Morley was easily the equal of Fielden, and likely Peacock

Wasnt atkins injured for the 4 nations?

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:11 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

no, i dont, i think its nonsense, i think they have produced three halves as good as Pryce (or at least in the same bracket regardless of any whose better tit-for-tat) in Sinfield, Mcguire and Burrow, all Britain internationals

Diskin and Terry Newton are Leeds trained international hookers,

Lee Smith played at centre ahead of Atkins last year and i would argue at his peak Chev Walker was a better player than Atkins is right now, a bit of revisionism on going on with him right now

not to mention comfortably the best british winger produced by an SL club in a long while in Hall imo, with two other international wingers in Smith and Calderwood

Bailey, Carvell, Fozzard, Ward, JJB all international forwards, and im almost certain Scruton will some day join them

At his peak Adrian Morley was easily the equal of Fielden, and likely Peacock

You can't stick those on your super league application....
Leeds had a good patch 6 or so years ago but it has all but dried up over the last few years.

You do have a habit though of producing very fast but useless wingers such as, Rivett, Calderwood, Williams, Chrisholm.

I agree with you about Scruton though, he should be knocking on the door of England (although I also have no idea how Lynch is not in the England team)
Graham = top yards maker in SL
Lynch = Top offloader in SL
sounds like a dream combination to me.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:19 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

no, i dont, i think its nonsense, i think they have produced three halves as good as Pryce (or at least in the same bracket regardless of any whose better tit-for-tat) in Sinfield, Mcguire and Burrow, all Britain internationals

Diskin and Terry Newton are Leeds trained international hookers,

Lee Smith played at centre ahead of Atkins last year and i would argue at his peak Chev Walker was a better player than Atkins is right now, a bit of revisionism on going on with him right now

not to mention comfortably the best british winger produced by an SL club in a long while in Hall imo, with two other international wingers in Smith and Calderwood

Bailey, Carvell, Fozzard, Ward, JJB all international forwards, and im almost certain Scruton will some day join them

At his peak Adrian Morley was easily the equal of Fielden, and likely Peacock

I noticed you haven't mentioned Burgess, seen as he'll be quite comfortably the best player England have had in years soon.

Fielden at his peak was better than Morley or Peacock, and overall Peacock has been a better player than Morley imo.

How many games has Sinfield played in the halves for England or GB? (Genuine question, not a dig)

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:08 pm  

who needs flankers? wrote:

You can't stick those on your super league application....
Leeds had a good patch 6 or so years ago but it has all but dried up over the last few years.

You do have a habit though of producing very fast but useless wingers such as, Rivett, Calderwood, Williams, Chrisholm.

I agree with you about Scruton though, he should be knocking on the door of England (although I also have no idea how Lynch is not in the England team)
Graham = top yards maker in SL
Lynch = Top offloader in SL
sounds like a dream combination to me.

yet we have produced Hall, Smith, Ablett, Scruton, Mcshane, Clarkson, Gibson, Broughton since then,

we didnt have a good patch, we had an outstanding patch, better than anything before it for a long time, and certainly better than anything since. No club has had a 'patch' like leeds did between 02 and 04 for a long long time, it wasnt good, it was outstanding, and since then we have still been among the best.

Comparing our youth development now to our youth development in 02-04 is pointless, i doubt in my life time i will see so many, of such high quality come through in such a small amount of time again, but we dont need to, it would be disruptive and counter-productive, what we need to do is exactly what we are doing bringing through 3-4 top class youth prospects every year or so, we are doing it now bringing through Watkins, Clarkson and Mcshane,

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:15 pm  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

I noticed you haven't mentioned Burgess, seen as he'll be quite comfortably the best player England have had in years soon.

Burgess is a top quality player, we havent produced a forward like Burgess since Morley, I think Burgess is a world class forward, he and Graham are probably they only two world class props this country has produced in the last 10 years.

Fielden at his peak was better than Morley or Peacock, and overall Peacock has been a better player than Morley imo.

I cant agree, i think at their peak Morley was better than Peacock or Fielden, i think Peacocks greatest asset is he has been the better player for much longer, Fielden had a few seasons in the sun but maybe only 5 where he deserved to be mentioned in the same breath as those two. Probably because he didnt evolve as a player, whereas both Morley and Peacock did, its probably why they have both lasted longer at the top of their game in that their game changed, over the course of a career Fielden has been much more one dimensional

How many games has Sinfield played in the halves for England or GB? (Genuine question, not a dig)

from memory 4 i think, though thinking about it i cant see Pryce having played masses of amounts more at SO

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:31 am  

Any transfers then?

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:24 am  

LMS to Saints. Been on the cards for a while but more or less confirmed on the BBC website and in todays Daily Express I am informed.

Perry, Shenton and LMS for next season in addition to Soliola who will more or less be akin to a new signing given he has played about 20 minutes for us this season.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:24 am  

LMS has confirmed that he is leaving Quins.

Re: 2011 SL Transfers : Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:25 am  

Ewwenorfolk wrote:

Well if we go on quality, not quantity, then the academy which produced the England captain and the best player England have had in years deserves more credit.

Aye. Leeds did a great job in developing Morley.