Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:29 pm  

What is this exactly that Toronto need to agree to 'a new patricipation agreement' ? They already didn't recieve any funding/TV money from Sky, so do they just have to agree to that again ??? But they do need to find new owners, as Argyle has 'spent his last dollar' on the club as he says. Including all the players who are owed 2 months wages !!!

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:10 am  

Budgiezilla wrote:

What is this exactly that Toronto need to agree to 'a new patricipation agreement' ? They already didn't recieve any funding/TV money from Sky, so do they just have to agree to that again ??? But they do need to find new owners, as Argyle has 'spent his last dollar' on the club as he says. Including all the players who are owed 2 months wages !!!

Seemes to me they're gone, Donnyman will be happy.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:21 am  

Budgiezilla wrote:

What is this exactly that Toronto need to agree to 'a new patricipation agreement' ? They already didn't recieve any funding/TV money from Sky, so do they just have to agree to that again ??? But they do need to find new owners, as Argyle has 'spent his last dollar' on the club as he says. Including all the players who are owed 2 months wages !!!

It's the deal they had with Superleague. Don't worry about being confused reporters are still talking about how TWP are a "Franchise" and how someone can just come in and buy them and carry on. They cannot.

The participation agreement is a list of things Superleague want from anyone who wants to join them. On that list is a commitment to fulfil the seasons fixtures for the obvious reasons that if you pull out because it suits you to do so then all you do is ruin the competition and bring the competition into disrepute. Argyle the poor and destitute $$Billionaire walked away leaving the game in an element of chaos. Had it not been for the Covid break being a convenient excuse, it would have been totally shocking.

Other clubs have found Superleague too tough to handle but have seen their seasons out. London lost all their games heavily to the point where Leeds only sent a reserve team down there (and lost) IIRC Crusaders from Wales saw their season out and despite going into administration for which they were deducted points for going into administration. Paris saw their season out.

Some people are swallowing the idea Argylle ran out of money, and swallowing the idea someone may buy TWP and play in Superleague again. They are swallowing the idea Ottawa who are following the same model as Toronto will "do it right" this time with all these home grown Canadians. I can't blame them because the game is too frightened to call this nonsense out. It would make them look like Little Englanders. Not because they are but because the detractors would have a field day. You see that on here.....

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:40 am  

Budgiezilla wrote:

They do need to find new owners, as Argyle has 'spent his last dollar' on the club as he says. Including all the players who are owed 2 months wages !!!

There isn't a "They" TWP was a two man project that ended as one man's disaster.

There is no Superleague place anymore. There is no membership of the RFL, the guests have walked out on their invitation.

There's nothing for anyone to "buy" TWP have no ground, it was rented. TWP have no players their contracts are breached and they are free agents, there are no "shares" to buy. There is nothing now left of them apart from the odd Argyle lacky pretending this is all a little local difficulty just wait whilst one of the long line of prospective new owners comes and buys them.

There's no participation agreement as above. but there certainly is a lengthy list of real clubs who would like to take their place. Time to be fair to them.

Time to call out New York and Ottawa. Given their "ambitions" are Superleague the game here should be organising for them to provide a "bond" before they kick a ball here. Argyle failed completely on an £18,000,000 spend. Anyone think Perez or Wilby has that?

Anyone think real sports investors will look at the TWP debacle and say - yeh I'll stick a few $$$Million in.

According to dreamers Perez and Wilby they are there and pumping it in now, but we cannot possibly be told who they are.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:39 am  

Budgiezilla wrote:

What is this exactly that Toronto need to agree to 'a new participation agreement' ?

They aren't pursuing anything now

"When Hunter says ‘potential new owner’ he’s referring to two groups, both of which have since become public. The first is a group based out of the United States, assumed to be led by Ricky Wilby. The second is the Newcastle Thunder. It’s important to note that the CEO only referred to the groups by their geographic designation, although both seem to have very different ideas of what direction they would go with the Wolfpack".

New York and New Castle are after their place in the league.

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:02 am  

Donnyman wrote:

They aren't pursuing anything now

"When Hunter says ‘potential new owner’ he’s referring to two groups, both of which have since become public. The first is a group based out of the United States, assumed to be led by Ricky Wilby. The second is the Newcastle Thunder. It’s important to note that the CEO only referred to the groups by their geographic designation, although both seem to have very different ideas of what direction they would go with the Wolfpack".

New York and New Castle are after their place in the league.

Merger between Toronto and Newcastle, playing in Black and white at St James' maybe?

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:11 pm  

JTCFJG wrote:

Merger between Toronto and Newcastle, playing in Black and white at St James' maybe?

Now that’s a idea I like bring it on

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:37 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

Toronto Arrows RUFC have:-

29 Home grown Canadian players
A TV deal with TSN

Exactly what the game here asked from Toronto Wolfpack and was promised by Perez, home grown players and TV deals .

Lot's of silly fishing going on above, but seriously the Arrows are a success and TWP were a hollow failure. Of course I'd have liked that the other way round. But it wasn't. Let's not pretend it was.

Thankfully we have some great clubs pushing forward from here like Bradford, Widnes, Newcastle, Leigh, London, Featherstone and York......

SEVEN great clubs pushing for the place vacated by TWP....

How many RU clubs are part of their TV deal and how long has RU been played in Canada - just asking, you know, for balance

There is more RU going on in Canada than there is Rugby League over here. Why wouldn't they have a TV deal
Your ability to skew an argument with lack of any attempt at balance is just ridiculous. - get a grip man.

What you are saying is akin to asking why Scottish RL doesn't have it's own TV deal or maybe Serbia not having a RL channel on TV.

You are utterly deluded to believe that Widnes and Newcastle being in SL will offer anything significantly better for the sport, than keeping TWP and Catalan in the comp. In fact, it would be a backward step (even taking account of TWP being a busted flush)..

You line 'em up old lad and I'll happily knock 'em down for you

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:12 pm  

Embarrassing, blinking embarrassing. There is still a Crusaders team playing in the Eastern half of Wales and the Broncos are still going in London. But Toronto and the Paris RL club, why can't people be thorough and realistic? Handing out free tickets just before the PSG v Sheffield opening match in 1996, ffs!!!!!

Re: Toronto Wolfpack may pull out of Superleague : Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:01 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Your ability to skew an argument
What you are saying is
You are utterly deluded
You line 'em up old lad and I'll happily.......

...........completely avoid the debate and try to discredit the debater............

You You You.....